Al-Jazeera’s news team briefly detained in Sabah by Malaysian authorities

Below is a STATEMENT I received on the brief detention of journalists who went to Sabah to cover the stand-off between followers of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III and Malaysian authorities. The producer, Jamela Alindogan, is a fellow member of the Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines (FOCAP).

Sabah is one issue that all Filipinos should familiarize themselves with. It is unfinished business with Malaysia. The rightful claimants to Sabah – the Royal Sultanate of Sulu, their descendants and followers  - are fellow Filipinos who have been crying out for justice all these years. More than 50 years ago, they entrusted the Philippine government to pursue their rightful claim.

As soon as time permits, I will be posting documents, interviews  and what I know about Sabah.

I have not forgotten, though, my promise to post my Part 3 on the controversial and possibly unconstitutional amendments to the Intellectual Property Code.

 

Meanwhile, I’d like to share with you what happened to the Al-Jazeera news crew:

On February 19th, 2013, an Aljazeera news crew comprising of Senior Asia Correspondent, Steve Chao, Producer Jamela Alindogen and cameraperson, Mark Giddens were deployed to Sabah, Malaysia to report on the standoff between an armed group calling itself the “Royal Sulu Army” and the Malaysian authorities.

The crew arrived in the village of Tanjung Labian early on the morning of February 20 and enlisted the help of local villagers to take them by boat to investigate the security situation.

Less than a kilometer away from Tanjung Labian, a police patrol vessel intercepted the boat and ordered it to stop. The Al Jazeera crew were then told they could not go any further, and that they would need to be questioned at a local police station in Tanjung Labian. Authorities refused to say why the news team was being questioned, only that we were not allowed in the area, and that superiors had given the order. The crew was also detained.

The time was 7:30am.

From the police station, Al Jazeera’s news crew was then taken in a police lorry for questioning at another police station about half an hour drive from the village.

Correspondent Steve Chao was told that they would have to be interviewed by Malaysia’s Special Branch, as the Prime Minister’s office was overseeing the situation in the area, which they described as sensitive.

All three were questioned, sometimes together but also separately.

During questioning, Al Jazeera’s producer, who is based in Manila for Al Jazeera, was accused several times of working for the Sultanate Sulu Army, despite showing the authorities her ID, which clearly identified her as a staff member of Al Jazeera English Network.

Those in charge of questioning were not in uniform and declined to provide their full names or rank. They were at all times polite. When asked, they acknowledged that Al Jazeera had broken no laws and that when intercepted, the boat was far from the no-go security zone.

When asked where the security zone began, authorities refused to answer, saying they were not allowed to provide that information.

They said no media, domestic or international, would be allowed in the area because of safety concerns and the risk that journalists might “disrupt political negotiations” with the Sulu Sultanate army.

They reiterated that this was a “sensitive political situation”.

At all times Al Jazeera’s news team cooperated with authorities.

When asked why they were being detained for so long if they had not broken any laws, the authorities apologized, but said they were following procedures and instructions.

After approximately six hours, Al Jazeera’s news team was released.

Al Jazeera’s mandate is to report factually on any events of public concern. The channel has always encouraged authorities to provide the necessary journalistic space to allow for equal, balanced, and factual reporting in order to serve the public interest.

At the same time, Al Jazeera has always attempted to abide by the rules of the respective countries in which it operates.

For further reference, the report filed by our news team following their detention can be found here:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/02/201322102345987766.html

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  1. 37
    vander anievas says:

    wala akong makitang dahilan para angkinin ng Pnas ang sabah.
    iyan ay pag-aari ng sultan. ang sabah ay kanila. ibinigay sa mga ninuno nila.
    sinong mga nakikisawsaw sa pag-angkin?
    huwag tayong padaya at pasulsol.
    eto ang aking stand: kung kaya nating ipagtanggol ang spratlys at scarborough, yun na lang ang ating pag-ukulan ng panahon at resources.
    patahimikin naman natin ang ating bansa.
    sobra na ang parusa ng mga maliligalig na dayuhang pumapasok sa ating mga back gates…

  2. 36
    Rene-Ipil says:

    In the PDI yesterday, Manolo Quezon III wrote a timeline on the Sabah-North Borneo issue from 1640s to present. I think it is an excellent guide for us in forming our opinions regarding the matter. I posted the link yesterday but it is still awaiting moderation.

  3. 35
    Parekoy says:

    Atin ang Sabah!

    Bawat Pinoy ay dapat ipahiwatig ang ating pag angking ng ating teritoryo.

    Porket mahina ang military natin at ang ating mga nahalal ay sumisipsip sa Malaysia hindi nangangahulugan na pati tayong mga Pilipino ay gumaya sa mga bahag ang buntot at makapili na mga Pinuno.

    Delicate ang sitwasyon pero hindi nangangahulugan na hindi tayo iimik. Matagal ng ninakaw ang ating lupa ng mga dayuhan, alam ng Malaysia na hindi kanila ang Sabah at ito ay maling naihabilin sa kanila ng mga Bitoy, nagbabayad pa ng renta, so kahit na mga Malaysiano ay alam na sa Pilipinas ang Sabah.

    Hindi tayo makikigiyera pero hindi rin tayo mananahimik. Ang atin ay atin, kung gusto ng Malaysia ng compromise di hatiin ang Sabah para lahat panalo!

    Mali si PNoy dito pero tayong Pinoy ay dapat pumanigbsa tama…

  4. 34
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    @Raissa a good column by CJ Panganiban regarding the Sabah issue

    http://opinion.inquirer.net/47997/understanding-the-sabah-dispute

  5. 33
    Rene-Ipil says:

    I recommend that we read the following article of Manolo Quezon III for our enlightenment on the Sabah issue.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/66281/north-borneo-sabah-an-annotated-timeline-1640s-present

  6. 32
    • 32.1
      moonie says:

      thanks, vibora. I’m now a follower of this website.

      • 32.1.1
        moonie says:

        there’s an article on the website free malaysia today written by amir ali on march 2, 2013, titled ‘Lahad Datu – the real story?’ that said on november 2010 the sultan has declared sulu independent state from philippines. maybe we should not be calling the sultan’s followers filipinos, but the sultan’s people.

        on the same webpage, an article titled ‘Umno – Lahad Datu link- Tian Chua Slammed’ said that on march 1, 2013, the sultan’s people in Lahad Datu raised a white flag as ruse to draw in malaysian cops, and then, fired on malaysian cops killing 2 of them. malaysians returned fire and 12 of sultan’s people died. sabi nila, using the white flag was act of cowardice daw.

        free malaysia today is a fascinating website.

        by the way, senator miriam santiago said if the sultan is claiming sabah for himself, he ought to negotiate directly with malaysia.

        • 32.1.1.1
          moonie says:

          dagdag lang po it. amir ali in his article ‘Lahad Datu – the real story?’ said also that when the sultan declared sulu an independent state on november 2010, the sultan put sulu on constitution based on s——- law. that constitution is different from our democratic one.

          • 32.1.1.1.1
            moonie says:

            online ‘free malaysia today’ also said that malaysians are baffled how the armed invaders (sultan’s people) manage to slip through their state of the art radar monitoring system that constantly monitor their coastlines. I say, if jamming device had been used to disable radar thus allow sultan’s people to land safely, malaysian intel should be able to work that one out.

            there was also report that said anwar ibrahim, malaysian opposition leader, and close friend of erap, may have invited the invaders to come and boost his prospect this coming election. anwar ibrahim had always wanted to be prime minister but ended up being opposition. malaysian intel has yet to confirm the report though, and if they’re really interested, I say, they could monitor cell phone conversations between anwar ibrahim and the sultan’s people, if any.

  7. 31
    Mel says:

    Former Sabah chief minister proposes settlement with Sulu sultan – report

    MANILA, Philippines — A former chief minister of Sabah has proposed that the Malaysian government offer the sultan of Sulu a lump sum compensation of 200-million ringgit (around P2.6 billion [RM1=P13.14]) in a bid to settle the sultanate’s claim to the territory, the east Malaysian newspaper Daily Express reported.

    Close to 200 followers of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III have been occupying a village in Lahad Datu town since mid-February in a bid to press their claim to Sabah and have rejected calls from both the Malaysian and Philippine governments for them to leave.

    Sabah is historically part of the Sulu sultanate but was leased by the British who ceded it to Malaysia when the country was created in 1963.

    The report said Tan Sri Harris Salleh wrote Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein suggesting that RM50 million from the settlement be given to the direct descendants of the sultant and the balance used for the development of a “Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.”

    Felda, Malaysia’s Federal Land Development Authority, was founded to help resettle rural poor and organize them into cooperatives planting cash crops. It has since evolved into running various economic development and business enterprises, with one of these, Felda Global Ventures Holdings, believed to be the world’s largest plantation operator.

    “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he was qupoted as saying in a statement released on Wednesday.

    “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time. Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbors,” Harris was quoted in the report as saying.

    He also warned against using force to drive out the sultan’s followers, saying: “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colors. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.”

    Harris suggested that the Malaysian government deal directly with the sultan instead of his followers holed out in the town of Lahad Datu.

    The former Sabah minister pointed put that it was impossible for Malaysia to control the whole coastline of Sabah, which stretches around a thousand kilometers from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

    “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries,” he said.

    Harris also said that with the increasing openness between members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, “the issue on who and who are Sabahans or, for that matter, Malaysian does not arise anymore” since, in the next 50 to 100 years, there will no longer be any borders between these countries.

    • 31.1
      Mel says:

      Harris suggests RM200m formula

      Published on: Thursday, February 28, 2013

      Kota Kinabalu: Former Chief Minister Tan Sri Harris Salleh has proposed that the Malaysian Government permanently settle the long-standing issue raised by the Sultan of Sulu by way of a lump-sum compensation payment of RM200 million.

      “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he said in a statement, here, Wednesday.

      He said the suggested amount of RM200 million was merely equivalent to the monthly expenses for the armed forces to control Sabah’s coastline.

      Towards this end, Harris said he had written to Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein that RM50 million is to be allocated from the RM200 million direct to the Sulu Sultan’s descendants while the balance for the development of a Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.

      “This will benefit both the heirs of the sultan as well as the people of Mindanao,” he said, adding that the Malaysian Government should deal directly with the Sultan of Sulu rather than talking to leaders of the intruders at Lahad Datu.

      He said any confrontation of arms would definitely cause casualties on both sides. “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colours. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.

      “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time.

      Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbours,” he said.

      Harris said Malaysia must acknowledge that no matter what, it was impossible to control every part or metre of Sabah over a 1,000km coastline right from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

      “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries.

      Everything will then be running smoothly in the Asean countries to move forward to become a developed Asia.

      China has already led the way.

      “The issue on who and who are Sabahans or for that matter Malaysian, does not arise anymore.

      All those citizenship with legally issued Identity Card are a fait accompli issue.

      “Surely it is not the intention to trace the original Sabahans, who are reportedly only the descendants of Murut and Rungus.

      The rest – the Malays, the Chinese, the Indians and others – were descendants of immigrants a few hundred years ago,” he said.

      People are free to go anywhere they like since it is expected that in the next 50 to 100 years from now there would be no more borders among the countries.

      SOURCE: Daily Express, http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=84456

  8. 30
    Mel says:

    Former Sabah chief minister proposes settlement with Sulu sultan – report

    InterAksyon com
    The online news portal of TV5

    MANILA, Philippines — A former chief minister of Sabah has proposed that the Malaysian government offer the sultan of Sulu a lump sum compensation of 200-million ringgit (around P2.6 billion [RM1=P13.14]) in a bid to settle the sultanate’s claim to the territory, the east Malaysian newspaper Daily Express reported.

    Close to 200 followers of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III have been occupying a village in Lahad Datu town since mid-February in a bid to press their claim to Sabah and have rejected calls from both the Malaysian and Philippine governments for them to leave.

    Sabah is historically part of the Sulu sultanate but was leased by the British who ceded it to Malaysia when the country was created in 1963.

    The report said Tan Sri Harris Salleh wrote Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein suggesting that RM50 million from the settlement be given to the direct descendants of the sultant and the balance used for the development of a “Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.”

    Felda, Malaysia’s Federal Land Development Authority, was founded to help resettle rural poor and organize them into cooperatives planting cash crops. It has since evolved into running various economic development and business enterprises, with one of these, Felda Global Ventures Holdings, believed to be the world’s largest plantation operator.

    “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he was qupoted as saying in a statement released on Wednesday.

    “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time. Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbors,” Harris was quoted in the report as saying.

    He also warned against using force to drive out the sultan’s followers, saying: “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colors. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.”

    Harris suggested that the Malaysian government deal directly with the sultan instead of his followers holed out in the town of Lahad Datu.

    The former Sabah minister pointed put that it was impossible for Malaysia to control the whole coastline of Sabah, which stretches around a thousand kilometers from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

    “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries,” he said.

    Harris also said that with the increasing openness between members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, “the issue on who and who are Sabahans or, for that matter, Malaysian does not arise anymore” since, in the next 50 to 100 years, there will no longer be any borders between these countries.

    SOURCE: www interaksyon com/article/56110/former-sabah-chief-minister-proposes-settlement-with-sulu-sultan—report

  9. 29
    duquemarino says:

    Breaking News just now March 1, 2013 11:00 a.m. over DZMM, Henry Omaga Diaz reporting.
    Re: Sabah standoff, firefight broke out between Malaysian authorities and Kiram’s group.

    • 29.1
      duquemarino says:

      Yahoo News: Kiram family appealed to Malaysian authorities to cease attacks; family appealed for prayers.

      • 29.1.1
        Victin Luz says:

        So while in Sabah , the Sultanete of Sulu’s heir’s were within the Arm Length of Malaysian authorities and applyed their LAW’s and Good Governance to them.

        While in the Philipppines , the Revised Penal Code and special LAW’s on firearms of the Philipppines are not automatically enforceable to our Muslim brothers at Jolo and TAWI TAWI .

      • 29.1.2
        jorge bernas says:

        @ duquemarino,

        Nagtataka ako sa ibang mga kamag-anak ni Kiram, Pupunta at Susugod doon sa SABAH na mayroon dalang armas tapos ngayon sila ang hihingi nang cease fires? Akala ko ba Matapang kayo?
        Binigyan na kayo nang dead line nang Malaysian Goverment at pina UUWI na kayo ni Pnoy para ma-seattle kong ano man ang problema pero nagmatigas kayo kaya ganyan na ang nangyari? Kayo rin dapat sisishin sa nangyari dahil nagmatigas kayo saka dahil PUMUNTA/SUMUGOD Kayo sa SABAH na mayroon dalang mga ARMAS ay iba na pinahihiwatid ninyo? IBABA ang ARMAS saka UMUWI para walang nang GULO, yon ang dapat unang GAWIN? At nang mapag-usapan ang problema at MAAYOS sa TAMANG PARAAN….

        • 29.1.2.1
          duquemarino says:

          @jorge bernas

          I you look at the development, other members of the Sultanate are not commenting.
          Ibrahim Q. Bahjin, a medical doctor and the crowned and installed dejure Paramount Sultan of the Sultanate of Sulu & North Borneo has not spoken.

          Also, take a look at the different prominent figures involved, including Pastor Boy Saycon who is very much linked to Tingting and Peping and try top come up with your own reading.

          The are also intel reports published that are worth reading.

          • 29.1.2.1.1
            duquemarino says:

            @jorge bernas

            Take a look at “Paramount Sultan Ibrahim Q. Bahjin-Shakurillah II” in wikipedia. The last part of the article states:
            “There is no rotation system now. The agreement was broken by the Kiram family. Sultan Aliuddin of Patikul consented to the re-enthronement of Jamalul Kiram II on condition that the throne should pass alternately between the 2 Royal Houses. . . and so there was no more war between the two Royal Houses. But when the throne was passed on to another Kiram after Jamalul Kiram II, Patikul was forced to enthrone own Sultan in response. War was again ignited.

            That also started the tradition of two sultans in the Sultanate. And now it has enormously metamorphosed to many, many Sultans. All those invoking genealogical linkage are claiming to be one. In fact, even those remotely attached and devoid of any drop of royal red in their veins are coming to the forefront claiming royalty and therefore, heir to the sultanate heritage. It could still be tolerable this time though, if not the greed for money and wealth is suspect. This is the very reason why the Paramount Sultan concept was hatched.”

    • 29.2
      duquemarino says:

      Idjirani confirms 10 dead, 4 wounded, through press con aired over DZMM, 12:30 pm
      Press con on-going.

  10. 28
    duquemarino says:

    Just now, over DZMM.
    Did I hear it right that Pastor Boy Saycon is in Sabah taking part in the negotiations. Baka si Tingting at si Peping nandun na rin. Hmmmmmm.

    • 28.1
      Victin Luz says:

      Ang HUETING Queen noong panahon ni CORY , gusto talagang maging First Lady ng MINSUPALA Country he he….

  11. 27
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    Raissa a good infographic from ABS-CBN regarding the lineage of Sultanate of Sulu:
    http://cdnimages.abs-cbnnews.com/topics/tvpatrol/2013february/LineofSuccessionoftheSultansofSuluoftheModernEra.jpg

    • 27.1
      moonie says:

      someone should check the birth certificate of the sultan, baka he was born in kota kinabalu in saba, and not a filipino.

  12. 26
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    off-topic:
    Ang ganda ng pagkakagawa ng US show na survivor . Last year “Survivor Philippines” tapos ngayon “Survivor Caramoan Islands” both from Camarines Sur.

    Thumbs up! kay DOT Sec. Jimenez at sa mga Filipino crew for showcasing the beautiful islands of the Philippines. :)

  13. 25
    Rene-Ipil says:

    Good News.

    Latest SWS senatorial survey 9 LP 3 UNA.

    Enrile and Honasan out of magic 12.

    Madrigal 14th, Magsaysay 16th, Hontiveros 18th

    • 25.1
      Martial Bonifacio says:

      i hope Edward Hagedorn & Risa Hontiveros makes it to the magic 12 kahit wala na yung 3 UNA.

    • 25.2
      DannyG says:

      Sa pinaggagawa ng P-Noy administration re Sabah issue, baka mangamote na ang Team P-Noy sa Mindanao at maging sa boung bansa sa darating na 2013 election. At ang masakit, ngayun-ngayon lamang, malaking bahagi ng mga kandidato sa pagka-senador ang hindi man lamang sumipot sa rali ng Team Pinoy sa Bukidnon na kilalang balwarte ni Zubiri. Nagkakaduwagan na ba at hanggang dito ay nagkaka-repliksyon ang masamang diskarte ng P-NOY admi sa kasalukuyang pag-handle ng Sabah crisis ? Ingat !!!!

      • 25.2.1
        jorge bernas says:

        @ DannyG,

        Bakit mo sisisihin si Pnoy sa nangyari sa SABAH? Pumunta at Sumugod doon sa SABAH ang mga kamag-anak ni Kiram na mayroong dalang mga ARMAS at handa raw mamatay bakit mo SISISIHIN si Pnoy.

        Ang problema sa RENTA at sa SABAH ay mapag uusapan sa mabuting PARAAN at hindi sila dapat pumunta at sumugod at magdala nang ARMAS dahil BAWAL ITO sa alin mang BATAS…Huwag sana tayong magsisihan? Binigyan na sila nang ultimatum nang Malaysian Government noong feb.26,2013 at Pinapauwi na sila ni Pnoy nang MAPAYAPA at naghihintay na ang sasakyan pero nagmatigas sila kaya kong ganyan ang nangyari ay kagustuhan nila yon, diba? Marami ang namatay at nasugatan dahil sa kanilang kagustuhan kaya sila ang dapat sisisihin dahil gusto nila sila ang masunod at hindi nakikinig sa magandang paraan nang pag uusap?

        Ngayon dahil may dala kayong mga Armas at hindi nakikinig sa mapayapang pag-uusap? ibig sabihin ay lalaban kayo diba? Panindigan na ninyo?

        • 25.2.1.1
          vander anievas says:

          @DannyG,
          sila ang pumunta doon. at armado pa. sila ang may gusto noon.
          maaga pa ay kinausap na sila ni pnoy. at sa public forum pa. nakiusap sa kanilang umuwi at saka mag-usap. ayaw nila.
          hindi kaya pagsabotahe ang ginawa nila? sino kayang may ideya noon?
          para sa akin, walang mali sa ating gobyerno.
          ang sabi nga ni harry roque, inilagay nila sa kanilang mga kamay ang batas.
          anong ibig sabihin noon? with all due respect to their claim, walang mali kay pnoy? magpasalamat pa nga tayo sa pagiging mahinahon ni pnoy.
          delikado ang nangyaring ito. pwedeng sumiklab ang gyera sa dalawang bansa kung hindi sa mahusay na pamamahala ng dalawang administrasyon.

  14. 24
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    Still waiting for Raissa’s new article regarding Sabah and the Sultanate of Sulu so i can straighten out my memory and history :)

    Honestly im confused right now regarding who is the real current head of Sultanate of Sulu because i read alot of claimants to the throne not only in PH but in Malaysia as well:

    1. Ampun Sultan Muedzul-Lail Tan Kiram

    2. Jamalul D. Kiram III – The one calling the shots in the recent Sabah standoff

    3. Sultan Fuad Kiram – was invited by GMA during the reception for Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei

    Source: http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/opinion/editorials/41591-our-sultan-of-sulu-and-sabah

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  16. 22
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    While our attention is currently in Sabah issue, China will conduct their patrol beyond their territory again!

    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/296478/news/nation/china-to-conduct-spratlys-scarborough-fishery-patrols

  17. 21
    • 21.1
      Rene-Ipil says:

      Vibora@21

      The article written by Atty. Sta. Maria is by far the most comprehensive and easily understandable discussion on the Sabah issue.

      • 21.1.1
        Vibora says:

        Right, and it seems the only ingredient missing is the “political will” of our government to resolve the issue.

        • 21.1.1.1
          moonie says:

          we have the right to claim sabah, but there’s no guarantee we’ll get sabah. the heirs of the sultan of sulu is not claiming sabah for the philippines, but for the sultanate of sulu. it was only when they got surrounded and not allowed to go any further that they sought help from our government.

          paiba-iba ang kwento nila e, with so many making statement, the wife of the sultan, the sultan’s brother, etc, etc. we have to have a very clear understanding with the sultan of sulu before we make a representation. baka mamaya, after helping them, they’ll change their story again and turn against us. sabah for the philippines, for us all, not just for the sultan. let’s have that in writing, written in today’s time, dated and signed by the sultan and also by our government before we proceed.

          • 21.1.1.1.1
            moonie says:

            already, the sultan and his people refused to cooperate with our government. ship was sent to them, they were asked to come home, and they refused. our government ought to make help conditional. help will only be provided if they cooperate and are on our side, be one with us, and together, we’ll face malaysia. it’s hard enough having to go head to head with malaysia without the sultan and his people adding more problems.

            by the way, was checks made on these people? any npa o abu sayyaf among them?

  18. 20
    • 20.1
      Martial Bonifacio says:

      I guess election fever is also taking an effect in Malaysia. Even the in-fighting in the comment section of FMT can be clearly read.

  19. 19
    Mel says:

    A short history of Martial Law, version whatever Hot Manila – by Alan C. Robles
    Posted at 02/22/2013 11:57 AM | Updated as of 02/22/2013 12:00 PM

  20. 18
    DannyG says:

    Nakakalungkot na marami sa ating kababayan ang patuloy na dedma o indifferent sa kasalukuyang isyu ng Sabah. Ipinakikita at isinusulong ng mga ito na huwag nang makialam tayo o ang ating pamahalaan at baka tayo mapahamak pa laban sa Malaysian kung igigiit ito. Tutal mayroon na raw tayong peace covenant sa mga kababayang Muslim sa Mindanao at ito naman daw ay suportado ng Malaysia. Na ito raw kasalukuyang gulo ay sa instigation ni Misuari at panggugulo lamang sa gobyernong P-noy sa nalalapit na halalalan 2013. Presume na totoo ang mga itong alegasyon, hindi ba nararapat na gumawa tayo ng karampatang hakbangin upang maresolba ang isyung ito sa kapakinabangan ng ating Bansa at soberenya nito ? Matagal na ang usaping ito, panahon pa ng mga nakaraang pamamahala ng ating gobyerno, ay buhay na ang panawagang ito ng mga tagapagmana ng Sultanate of Sulu. Kung itong Sabah sa paniniwala natin ay nabibilang sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas, ating itong itaguyod na mapasaatin. Maraming kaparaanan upang ito’y maisapagtagumpay. Simulan na ang maayos, nararapat at matalinong pakikipag-usap sa lahat ng mga may tamang involvement o kaugnayan sa usaping ito. Ipakita natin na taas-noong tayo ay may kakanyahang igiiit ang ating mga karapatan at aspirations. Na tulungan ang ating minoryang kababayan sa kanilang mga problema na may kaugnayan naman sa territorial integrity ng ating bansa. Huwag nating isipin na ang ating kapatid na Muslim na sakaling magtagumpay sa isyu ng Sabah ay mananawagan naman sila ng independensya. Marami sa ating kapatid na Muslim ang nagmamahal at nagnanais na mapag-isa ating bansa- ang Bansang Pilipinas. Magtiwala tayo sa kanila na sila ay tutupad sa mga marangal na usapan sapagka’t naniniwala tayo na ito ay maa-attain sa pamamagitan ng mahusay at matalinong pakikipag-usap at diplomasya. Nguni’t pansamantala, tugunan muna natin ang Sabah crisis na ito.

    • 18.1
      jorge bernas says:

      @ DannyG,

      Tama ka Danny, Lahat nang problema ay mapag-uusapan at may SOLUTION pero ang ginawa nang mga kamag anak ni KIRAM na pag akupa at pagsugod sa SABAH na may DALANG mga ARMAS ay iba ang ibig SABIHIN at sa Banta na handang MAMATAY ay ibang USAPAN na ???

  21. 17
    Victin Luz says:

    If I owned part of Sabah and Jolo and made to select which country do I want to pledge allegiance with Malaysia or Philipppines?

    1.)If I am living in Sabah , I will choose Malaysia because of much much better living condition thereat and better Governanace by their leader. And I will include Jolo also to be part of Malaysia for the same reasons.

    2.)If I am living in JOLO , I will choose Malaysia to govern my property in Sabah for the same reasons. For JOLO I will choose the Philippines to be part of it so that with the stricter Law’s implementation in Malaysia and of good governance , I am not within their ARM Lenght that includes Jolo populace to whom I ruled.

    And although Jolo was part of the Philippines, with the bad governance of the Manila Government for centuries I am either within their ARM Lenght. In fact I can bring in goods from neighboring countries with minimal custom duties and more of the time NONE. We are FREE to used RINGGIT’s within Jolo and adjoining areas without violating ECONOMIC SABOTAGE. We can even KILL a General of the AFP during peace talks and have the perpetrators hide in Sabah smoothly.

    I had a two country Playing Fields. My people if they committed a syndicated ESTAFA , they can just go to Sabah and hide. They can also kidnap tourist in Sabah and hide them in Jolo and Tawi Tawi until ransom are paid. Everything is FUN in the Philippines why should I let Sabah be part of the Philipppines then .

    So just ask an increase fo the rental fee of Sabah but let it remain with Malaysia for their good governance.

    Let us acknowledge that Sabah was owned by the Sultanete of SULU but part of Malysia and not a part of the Philipppine territory.

    • 17.1
      Victin Luz says:

      We can not be even charge of any ANTI-DYNASTY law because in JOLO and TAWI-TAWI we are all Blood Relatives ( consanguinity and affinity ) exempted kami always he he. Kahit sino ang magtakbo magkakamaganak kami always at saka heirs nga kami ni SULTAN of SULU di ba.

      GUN BAN. What the hell you in Manila were talking about , we are also exempted in gun ban… For centuries since GUN was discovered ” marami na kami nyan dito ”

      Don’t you not know that “me ” JUAN had a different identity in SABAH when we go there ,and I am a legal immigrant or tourist thereat and my name in Sabah was ” IBRAHIM “

    • 17.2
      vander anievas says:

      yes @v.luz,
      et the sabah claimed by the sultanate be theirs.
      let malaysia reign over its known territory.
      if we can help, for humanitarian reasons, let’s help.
      let’s move on.
      let us all live in peace and harmony.
      let us respect each others liberty and sovereignty.
      let us stop dodging where one gains over the other.
      let us stop this “gulangan”.

  22. 16
    Mel says:

    Inquirer Columnist Randy David wrote in his Saturday column the following;

    Who owns Sulu?

    He admitted that he found the Sabah question confusing. “Everybody was signing a document in his native language. And you wonder how many of them understood what was written in the other copy. Now, I am not an expert. I have tasked the experts to study all of this and to find out precisely where we stand.”

    In the course of this free-wheeling interview, the President posed a question that carried broad implications. I’m quoting from the interview as reported by the Inquirer. “If we agree that the Sultan of Sulu owns Sabah, does that also mean that they own Sulu? If we (the sultanate) own Sulu, can we (the sultanate) suddenly say we are separate from the Philippines?” The President’s question touches on the very core issues underpinning the claim to a Bangsamoro homeland.

    It is fascinating that P-Noy brought up the question of historic documents becoming objects of contestation. Something is indeed always lost (or added) in translation. He was referring to the 1878 agreement on Sabah between the Sultan of Sulu and the British North Borneo Co. But he could have been describing the US misreading of the 1899 Bates Treaty, which formed the basis of American rule over Mindanao until 1915.

    The Bates Treaty, says the writer Saul Hofileña Jr. in his book “Under the Stacks,” led to the enactment of laws that caused the distribution of Moro ancestral lands to Christians and Americans. These actions sparked a war whose aftereffects continue to be felt until today. Among the most crucial in changing the political and social landscape of Mindanao, according to Hofileña, are the following: Public Land Act No. 718 which virtually erased land grants given to the traditional leaders of indigenous communities, a mining law passed in 1903 which opened up all public lands to exploration by Americans, the Cadastral Act of 1907 which ordered the survey of public lands for titling purposes, the 1912 resettlement of landless peasants from Luzon and the Visayas, and Acts No. 2254 and 2280 of the Philippine Commission which authorized the establishment of agricultural colonies in Mindanao.

    READ the rest of Randy David’s Column at opinion inquirer net/47495/who-owns-sulu

  23. 15
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    A really good article from by Solita Collas-Monsod

    Why this eagerness to please Malaysia?
    http://opinion.inquirer.net/47461/why-this-eagerness-to-please-malaysia

    • 15.1
      raissa says:

      I wholeheartedly agree this is a very good column.

    • 15.2
      Rene-Ipil says:

      Martial B @ 15

      With Sabah as the focal point, PNoy should unite Muslim Mindanao. Consequently, there is no need to ask Malaysia for help in forging the peace agreement in Mindanao. At the least the proprietary rights of the sultanate of sulu over Sabah should be respected by Malaysia as envisioned by former senator Salonga.

      • 15.2.1
        moonie says:

        many things happened after salonga. the people of sabah have forged on ahead without the sultan of sulu. the rent the sultan was receiving, that might have been courtesy money thanking the sultan for not interferring with their state of affairs. only the sultan did not see it that way. my take is with the peace deal being signed in mindanao, the sultan is being reduced to be becoming ordinary citizen, his influence waning and may have to earn his living. shocking. hard to imagine the sultan or the crown prince applying for jobs, and maybe not getting it. there are many enterprenurial people in mindanao who can become richer, a lot richer, than the sultan now that the peace deal is signed and business is likely to boom.

        PNoy ought to pension off the sultan and maybe, the crown prince too. the rest of their family has to earn their own living. since PNoy is busy campaigning for election, the sultan seemed neglected and made a dash, a last stand in sabah, taking his army with him. malaysia is doubly involved now. the sultan was asked to leave. that must have been very humiliating for him.

  24. 14
    letlet says:

    Sabah – From Wilkipedia

    Philippine claim
    Main article: Sabah dispute

    The North Borneo dispute is the result of a claim by the Philippines over much of the eastern part of Sabah in Malaysia. Sabah was known as North Borneo prior to the formation of the Malaysian Federation in 1963. The hilippines, via the heritage of the Sultanate of Sulu, claim Sabah on the basis that Sabah was only leased to the British North Borneo Company with Sulu’s sovereignty never being relinquishd. Malaysia, however, considered this dispute as a non- issue, as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu. As reported by the Secretary General of the United Nations ,the independence of North Borneo on 31 August 1963 – the state government of Sabah ceded the island of Labuan and its 6 smaller islands to the Malaysian federal government and it was declared a federal territory on 16 April 1984 – was brought about by as a result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in 1963 election.

    This is further reinforced by the international Court of Justice view that,
    ” historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed in the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority cannot – except in the most extraordinary circumstances prevail in law over the rights of non- self governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self determination”.
    …………

    The Aquino government should be extra careful in handling this claim of Sabah by Sultanate of Sulu as its rightful owner of the territory. The creation of committee/ team to study the claim is the right course of direction. How could the Sultanate of Sulu still claim Sabah when it has already declared ( Sabah) its independence and ceded the islands to the Malaysian federal government which is recognized by the Secretary General of United Nations and reinforced by the International Court of Justice. What planet are the Sultanate of Sulu and his followers on that they didn’t know about these Sabah independence. Wala na silang habol.

    Also, why lodge their claim only now just before two months of election? Are they trying to sow chaos and dilemma on PNOY ‘s team, what exactly is their motivation in doing such? Who or what is behind their action? Have they been manipulated by individual / indididuals with vested interest to do so?

    • 14.1
      clementejak says:

      Exactly right, where were the Sultanate succession of heirs early on, why they haven’t pressed their ownership of Sabah, why they allowed Sabah to be included in the federation of states of Malaysia?

      • 14.1.1
        letlet says:

        @ raissa

        slightly off topic

        I met a muslim nurse in a party, who belongs to Bicester Filipino Community, who is saying that the financial assistance given to the MNLF / MILF is distributed to the muslims to buy lands/ plots in their name, not really used for its designated purpose. Then sometime last month in McDonald in Victoria, London I met a couple wherein the girl said the same thing.

        Could you please have a look on the truthfulness of these claims.

    • 14.2
      moonie says:

      in addition to letlet at 14, the people of sabah, population close to 3million has spoken or made it know that they dont want to be part of the sultanate of sulu. they have been independent since 1963, and have their own representative democratic government with the chief minister as leader of the state cabinet. I doubt if they will give up independence and their way of life just to become subjects of the sultan of sulu.

  25. 13
    vander anievas says:

    sabah is not ours. it is for the sultanate. the sultanate has its own sovereignty. we can, and may, help them for peace and security in the region. we cannot and must not share the return or proceeds of its riches. malaysia does. and the sultanate must.
    hands off na tayo diyan. in times like this, phl is being used only. later on, phl uli ang talo diyan. katulad ng napala ni fvr.
    wag na tayong makisawsaw pa diyan.

  26. 12
    Rene-Ipil says:

    For now I think that PNoy should take the Sabah stand off as an opportunity to unite the warring Muslim factions by convincing all muslim leaders to help the sultanate of Sulu in legitimizing its claim on Sabah. PNoy should spearhead the resolution of such claim through peaceful means by negotiating with Malaysia and asking the help of ASEAN and UN.

    With a united Muslim community throughout Mindanao under the tutelage of PNoy, the peace agreement in Muslim Mindanao would evolve as a matter of course in the form of a genuine autonomous region or a federated state. Malaysia would be marginalized, if not excluded, in the process. Meantime that a peaceful negotiation, whether with Malaysia or within ASEAN or UN, is underway, the Tausogs would stay in Sabah as it is. No augmentation from or deportation to Sulu to avoid bloodshed.

    I think that would be a win-win solution for all stakeholders. The bangsamoro would have an ally with PNoy and vice versa. And Malaysia could save its face in avoiding a war it could not win in Sabah against a legitimate claimant whom they have mistreated for a long time. This is in the form of paying the minuscule sum of equivalent to PHP70 thousand annual rental for an area consisting of about 70 thousand square kilometers. Not to mention its offshore area which contain reserves of more than 1.5 billion barrels of oil and 11 trillion cubic feet of gas. And I am sure the international community is watching. Indeed, Al-Jezeera blazes the trail.

  27. 11
    Joe America says:

    Fascinating discussion. Britain gives troublesome land to Sultanate and rents it back (good ole precursor to lend/lease). The Sultanate needs money to fund warriors and sells the land to the Philippines. The Philippines is preoccupied fighting off Spaniards and Americans and Japanese and potentially the Chinese. Malaysia takes over because no one else is there. The Sultanate heirs get screwed six ways from Sunday and desperately want a homeland. Malaysia won’t let go of the land because they’ve had it, managed it, and believe it is theirs. History of the title says otherwise. An international court may determine that a century of Philippine neglect represents concession of ownership to Malaysia (squatters squatting long enough eventually command rights).

    Did I say the people, who are akin to the American Indians in terms of disenfranchisement, but don’t even get a reservation, get screwed six ways from Sunday?

    Organize a multi-dimensional resolution that organizes the land as an integral part of Malaysia as an autonomous region under Sultanate mandate with the Philippines given mineral rights, subject to three-way sharing of profits.

    Or just concede it to Malaysia and get on with getting some Japanese manufacturers out of China and into the Philippines, and let’s rock and roll.

  28. 10
    Rene-Ipil says:

    Sabah is the sixth biggest contributor of Malaysia’s economy and contributes more than 25% of oil and gas produced in Malaysia. Indeed, according to FMT (Free Malaysia Today) news:

    “Sabah’s oil reserves were calculated at 1.5 billion barrels as of last year but new oilfields discovered since then have raised the estimate substantially. Gas reserves stand at 11 trillion cubic feet, with four new oilfields found in the Sabah waters in the last two years.”

    But it is ironic that Sabah remains the poorest state in Malaysia. Assemblywoman Melanie Chia of the Sabah Progressive Party said:

    ““The government owes the people a good explanation as to why Sabah remains the poorest state in Malaysia despite being blessed with abundance of natural resources.”

    With such backdrop, i believe that Sabah would spin off into an independent state together with nearby Sulu and Tawi Tawi under the auspices of the UN. It is only a matter of when it would materialize. But I think it would be hastened tremendously if the Malaysian government made the mistake of committing genocide against the followers of the Sultanate of Sulu. History would repeat itself by replicating the experience of East Timor which was granted independence from Indonesia after so much bloodletting.

    Both the Philippines and Malaysia would come into terms with the Sultanate of Sulu who owned and governed the Sulu Archipelago by legal and historic rights. Let us consider that Sabah is about 18 miles away from Tawi Tawi and about 1000 miles from the Malaysian peninsula. So that about a third of Sabah population consists of Tausogs from Sulu. Tausogs were known before as among the fiercest warriors in the world.

    It is said that Sabah has been the playground of Tausogs from Sulu which both the Philippine and Malaysian governments tolerated in the past. And it is a fact that the Philippine government has not effectively controlled Sulu which is true also during the Spanish and American regimes due to its great distance from Manila as well as the Zamboanga peninsula. Not to mention that Tausogs love to fight fiercely for their freedom and independence.

  29. 9
    vander anievas says:

    dapat matuto tayo sa nilakad ng history.
    basahin ang buhay ng mga mapagwaging mandirigma.
    bakit tinalo ni lapu-lapu si magellan?
    bakit tinalo ni misuari si fvr.
    ngayon itutulak ba natin si pnoy para talunin lang ni misuari?
    tama na. sobra na.
    magastos yan. sayang lang.
    ang sabah ay sa malaysia.
    tanggapin na natin.
    yun ngang shoal di natin mapangalagaan, ang sabah pa…

    • 9.1
      Victin Luz says:

      TAMA , TAMA, TAMA, po kayo dyan………they are placing PNOY in a situation so dificult to answer or solve…. In the first place they did not respect the SOVEREIGNTY of the Philippines Government over them when they armed themselves and proceed to Sabah without considering the PRODUCT of that incident. WHY land in Sabah first before telling to us now that they were left out on the MILF -Phil. Government peace agreement…. Why did they not talk first with PNOY ….. Pabayaan mu sila dyan , tutal di nga sila nabayad ng mga Custom duties sa mga product na galling Sabah ….

      And to tell you, if they are respecting the authority OF MANILA GOVT…….some island’s populace in the area are using RINGGITs not PESO in trading practices,…. Ngek, ngek……ECONOMIC SABOTAGE…. Almost all of them trader in the area have in possession an amount’s of RINGGITs.

      Let the Kirams thru Misuari swim alone in Sabah… Gagastos na naman tayo sa mga kabalbalan nila. people’s money na naman , dami naman silang palusut sa lugar.

      COMELEC dyan nasaan ang GUN BAN ninyo pala.Bakit dami nilang baril sa SULU.

      • 9.1.1
        Martial Bonifacio says:

        Theory ko lang po ito ha but i think its not also about Pnoy but Malaysia as well. After the OIC meeting in egypt ang bukang bibig ni Misuari ay galit towards sa panghihimasok ng Malaysia sa peace deal ng MILF-GPH.

        And what better way to annoy the current leadership of Malaysia is by doing a standoff especially now that Malaysia will have their General Election this year. Will the standoff have an effect on how Malaysians will vote? we will see….

        Though i still don’t agree in their way of bringing guns in Sabah.

        • 9.1.1.1
          moonie says:

          they could have come in peace and bring gifts, instead of bringing guns. they could have come at daytime too, instead of coming at night like an invading army.

  30. 8
    vander anievas says:

    let the people decide.
    tama yan.
    hayaan na natin sila kung saan nila gusto.
    karapatan nilang maging maligaya at malaya.
    nakuha na ni misuari ang gusto nya.
    ngayon ano naman kaya ang nais nya?

  31. 7
    vander anievas says:

    yes, this is a very sensitive situation. phl must be prudent and cautious in dealing with this issue.
    imho, this sabah issue must be put to rest. we have a lot of problems.
    wild suggestion: send our epalistic trapos there to mediate, grandstand and campaign..:).
    in the brighter side, sabah’s riches was explored and developed and brought malaysia progress.
    if our businessmen will do it, i doubt if we can duplicate what m’asia did. better it be kept under their watch.
    kung totoong sovereign issue ang concern ng mga kiram, then, siguro, their side must be heard by the proper agency.
    i just wonder why this occasion is happening kung kelan may importanteng kaganapang binubuo ang phl at m’asia. parang scripted ito…sana naman ay mali ako…

  32. 6
    moonie says:

    just recently I’ve seen t.v. reports of australian senator nick xenophon detained in malaysia, seen as risk and was deported. the senator and his group have gone to malaysia to observe the election there, but were turned back. malaysia seemed nervous of foreign influence.

    the sultun of sulu was quiet, then suddenly, he and his entourage turned up in malaysia. makes you think there’s conspiracy.

    I recall reading a comment in raissa’s blog claiming that the sultan of sulu must be feeling lousy and left out as he was non-event in the signing of the peace deal brokered between mnlf and our government, his opinion was not sought out, his input was not needed, and he has no place of importance at the head of the negotiating table. nagtampo yata siya at pumunta sa malaysia, and now, front page siya ngayon sa mga newspapers, headline pa. he has forced the president to notice him, and act. anyhow, that was just a comment.

    • 6.1
      raissa says:

      Not true about him and the MNLF. Many MNLF fighters are also claimants to Sabah.

      The Sultan also deputized Misuari to negotiate Sabah on his behalf.

      • 6.1.1
        Martial Bonifacio says:

        @Raissa i think you should read this also

        “Misuari explained that Sabah was given to his great grandfather Panglima Mahabassal Elidji by the sultan of Brunei Darussalam, which once owned the land.”

        Source: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/02/18/13/misuari-bangsamoro-has-claims-over-sabah

        Is this true? Ang gulo ng usaping ito na mukhang pati mga liderato ng MNLF at Sultanate of sulu ay may kanya kanyang claim sa Sabah.

        But honetly i want to know what happened in Egypt kasi pagdating ni misuari sa NAIA ay galit na galit siya na pati ang media ay nakagalitan niya. Nag iba ang Mood niya after the Organization of Islamic Cooperation meeting.

      • 6.1.2
        moonie says:

        thanks, raissa, for clarifying things.

  33. 5
    Victin Luz says:

    Geographical Location of SABAH where the Congruent PART’s of Mindanao like SULU, TAWI TAWI, BASILAN parts of PALAWAN are RIPE for INDEPENDENCE in the near future whether we like it or not.

    We can not even implement our Law’s pertaining or that will endanger our National Security , like what the heir’s of the Sultanete of Sulu did. Smuggling was RAMPANT in the AREA.

    If smuggling in Tawi Tawi can be done easily why not also at Port Irene or any other place in our country.

    Let the Goverment of PNOY stay cautious and vigilant with the problem of the SULTAN HEIRs . They will never stop , history will tell.

  34. 4
    Martial Bonifacio says:

    1. This dispute should be settled in a peaceful manner like bringing the issue to UN.

    The one hindrance i see in that process is the one country who mistakenly gave malaysia the authority to sabah -> Britain.

    The predicament is if Britain accepts its mistake in Sabah then they might also lose the falkland islands to Argentina.

    If you noticed Malaysia is using the same rhetoric UK’s using: “Let the People Decide.”

    2. Pnoy should thread carefully baka magrebelde na naman ang mga MNLF kasi sa mga pahayag niya parang ayaw niyang suportahan ang claim ng Sultanate of Sulu bagkus parang ang lumalabas sa mga balita ay kampi tayo sa malaysia.

    Another possible scenario is sumama ang Sultanate of Sulu sa federation ng Malaysia dahil sa patuloy na walang suporta ng PH government sa claim sa Sabah. 50 years na and still counting according kay Raissa.

    Note:
    During the trapo days of Ninoy he exposed the Jabidah massacre to destroy the credibility of Marcos but unwittingly it caused the birth of MNLF rebellion,

    Now we are under a Aquino administration which i hope will correct the repercussions of the past.

    • 4.1
      Victin Luz says:

      FULL INDEPENDENCE ang sagot dyan @martial…….we don’t have to wait for another YOGUSLAVIA ….. Ningas kugon lahat na usapin na iyan …incomplete TRUST with each other…

  35. 3
    Manuel C. Diaz says:

    The Philippines and Malaysia should restore the Sultanate of Sulu. Both Countries usurp the territory of the Sultanate by fraudulent treaties the Americans Bates Treaty conned the Sultan of Sulu while the British conned the Sultan in leasing Sabah to the British.Both Countries claim to the territory of the Sultanate of Sulu are based on fraud.Both countries are squatters.

  36. 2
    clementejak says:

    Malaysia as a sovereign country have all the rights to impose restrictions whatever they think is right for any situation within their territory.

    No other country or any type of organization can impose its will much more like Aljaseera news correspondents who just barged in Malaysian soil without asking or seeking Malaysian permit first if they can cover the stand off.

    The same way China is doing not even the UN can forced China to accept the arbitration case filed by the Philippines at UNCLOS.

    • 2.1
      Martial Bonifacio says:

      The problem in your arguement is this “within their territory.”

      If Malaysia is convinced that Sabah is their territory then why would they even bother pay the Sultanate of Sulu since they already have the effective control of the area?

      The dispute of Sabah is different from Scarborough in the sense that the Sultanate of Sulu have a legitimate evidence. While China does not have any proof regarding their 9 dash theory claim besides the map they copied from a british chart including the 20 mistakes in the map.

      You can read more about it in South China Morning Post article entitled “How a non-existent island became China’s southernmost territory” written by Bill Hayton

    • 2.2
      Victin Luz says:

      You were right @martial ,,, I love our fellow Muslim Brother’s in the Philipppines. But when are they going to stop. Muslim’s rebels as whole during Marcos regime then MNLF ,after their peace talk ,MILF faction did not recognized the PT and went fighting the government . Now peace talk with MILF, MNLF was left out but due to pressures ,” ok lang kino sa kanila ” . Now that MILF and MNLF were TAHIMIK KUNO , afterward hayan nanaman ,the HEIRs of Sultanete of SULU naman..

      Do they really want an ALLEGIANCE to the Philipppines or to somebody else. Why not give them what they wanted and let those ILLITISTA, CAPITALISTA” kakaunti lang naman mga itong Familya sa lugar nila di po ba at nakikisawsaw Lang ngayon ang mag asawang PEPING at TINGTING COJUANCO ” BOW allegiance whatever government our brothers wanted in their AREA.

      Why Malaysia and Philipppines give Independence to Sabah that will include SULU, BASILAN, part of MINDANAO and Palawan.. Of course PEACEFULLy

      Ayaw naman natin sigurong maging ala YOGUSLAVIA tayo..

      Sino sino bang mga BILYONARYONG FILIPINOS ang mga may interest at kumikita sa MINDANAO Muslim’s area. Mabibilang natin po.. Palagay ko ” UTOT ” lang ang mga Politician sa Luzon at Visayas pag ang reason nila ay NATIONALISTIC he he PWE sila. Vested interest of their Billlionaires Friend at sa kanila mismo kaya ayaw natin bitiwan ang mga area talaga nila. he he opinion lang po , pero sa totoo Lang tayo he he.

      • 2.2.1
        Victin Luz says:

        Correction po …..he he VOW ALLEGIance po Hindi BOW sorry.

        • 2.2.1.1
          Martial Bonifacio says:

          http://globalnation.inquirer.net/65303/what-went-before-sultan-of-sulus-9-principal-heirs

          Kaya naiintindihan ko din ang Sultanate of Sulu since wala na silang matakbuhan kundi ang gobyerno natin.

          Sa mga pahayag ni Abraham Idjirani (Spokesperson ng Sultanate of Sulu) ang gusto lang naman nila ay ma-settle ang issue ng Sabah. Eto yung link:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOKqZAxaKrE#!

          I really hope na sana suportahan ni Pnoy ang claim ng Sultanate of Sulu and bring it to UN.

          • 2.2.1.1.1
            • Victin Luz says:

              I agree @Martial …yes to our supports , but we have to remember whenever a peace talk were conducted and a Muslim leaders was left out , they keep silent for a while waiting for another opportunity/issues to come out and their members with their approvals were allowed to join the NEW BAND or NEW GROUP protesting to whatever their causes are….that number of our Muslims brothers who went with KIRAM in Sabah , plenty were recruited from factions of MNLF and others and it was very EASY for them to tell us and to the Malaysian Government that they were also heirs o ” mga kamaganak ng mga Kirsm ”

              Kahit pagbalibaligtad pa natin ang sitwasyon o storya the BOTTOM LINE and in the long run FULL INDEPENCE ang gusto nila na kagaya nati noong panahon ng ESPANYOL, AMERICANO ,,, we Fight and DIE for that Independence and we got it…….tell me frankly @Martial what vested interest do you have in those area that will curtailed if they were be given Independence? He he opinion Lang po mang Martial.

              • Martial Bonifacio says:

                I dont have any vested interest in the Sabah issue, Ang akin lang is being objective sa mga pahayag ng kanilang spokesperson ng sultanate of sulu, si Abraham Idjirani.

                Kung papanoorin mo yung 2 video sila mismo ang nagsasabi at humihingi ng tulong na ipaglaban ng PH government ang kanilang claim sa UN.

                Let me put it this way: Tinuturing ko na pilipino ang mga kapatid nating Moro and if they are asking for our governments help, its prudent that we lend both our ears and help them fight for their cause in reclaiming Sabah. (In a peaceful way) since its legitimate and not a copied story/map na parang sa china.

                Contrary sa sinasabi ninyo po, hindi independence ang hinihingi nila kundi support from the PH government.

              • moonie says:

                they have a strange way of asking for our government’s support. wala silang sinabi at hindi sila nagpaalam, at dumiritso sila kaagad sa malaysia, armado pa naman and iba sa kanila. gulat tayo e. yes, I understand may spokesman sila, but who was their adviser?

                election sa mayo, e, and they are really trying PNoy’s hand. why make the claim now? they could have done it last year, or next year. why now when election is just two months away? maybe they want the president distracted, his team to lose seats. dirty tricks.

            • Victin Luz says:

              Sa ngayon iyan ang hinihingi ni KIRAM, but those people of KIRAM who went with him in Malaysia , numerous numbers came from MNLF Misuari group who want Independence from Philipppines.

              Autonomous Muslim area’s is a preparatory to be voicing out an Independence agenda to the same area. Sala sa lamig sala sa init na iyan e…when are they going to stop? I don’t think the Malaysian Government will give up to their demands..What sovereignty do we have with our Muslim Brothers in BASILAN, TAWI TAWI, SULU @ martial? Opinion Lang sir ha

              Ala ka palang vested interest sa Area nila , di mas maganda bigyan sila ng kalayaan na mamuno sa kani kanilang buhay sa lupain nila ” ABSOLUTE “

              • Martial Bonifacio says:

                Correct me if im wrong diba binigyan sila ng autonomy under ARMM its just that when Misuari was the head of ARMM nabalot ng controbersiya ang pamumuno niya na puro corruption.

                Kaya nga siya hindi nanalo ng election dahil dito.

                In fact a good point was given by @moonie that Election is coming also in ARMM which is a “possible” reason kasi tatakbo si Misuari against LP Mujiv hataman and the UNA candidate.

                What sovereignty we have? The fact that the Sultanate of Sulu acknowledges our laws and goes by our constitution. The fact they want to claim Sabah not only for themselves but for every Filipino Muslim and Christian alike.

                I dont want to prejudge them (Sulatanate of Sulu) that they want independence in the future because that will be very unfair for them.

                So i go only on what they say on the news and be objective.

                @Moonie
                i agree with you kaya sa mga reply ko sa article ni Raissa i try to always put peaceful solution. Hindi ganyan biglaan lulusob with guns, hindi tayo bully tulad ng china.

                Hopefully this will be settled in UN and Britain will do the right thing. Kung ibinalik ng britain ang Hong Kong sa China dapat ibalik ang sabah under Sultanate of Sulu.

            • Victin Luz says:

              @martial tama ka dyan,, pero sa akin NINGAS KUGUN LAHAT mga iyan eh…. Hindi matatapos dyan ang storya….Sa mga smuggling hanggang Manila to LAOAG , Muslim traders ang nagdadala o nagbibinta ng mga goods ng foreign products in an illegal .

              What Phil. LAW’s did they acknowledge with they go to Sabah armed , a different independent country not the Philipppines ? They violated not only our Constition but also the Constitution of Malaysia.

              Ipinapahamak tayo ang RIGHT TERM.

              • jorge bernas says:

                @ Marcial & Victin Luz,

                Kong ayaw nilang mga nag standoff sa Sabbah makinig sa Advice ni Pnoy na ibaba ang armas at umuwi na muna para mapag usapang mabuti ang kanilang CLAIMS ay hahayaan ko sila diyan… Bahala sila sa gusto nilang mangyari.. Bawal naman kasi pamamaraan nila at gusto nila sila ang masunod pero tingnan ko ngayon kong hindi iiyak at SUSUKO sa taga Malaysia Soldiers kong susugurin nang Barilan,Putukan,at Patayan…

                May kalalagyan sila ngayon sa Malaysian Soldiers….

  37. 1
    Yen678 says:

    … i hope this issue will be resolved in a peaceful way… the world is watching.

    • 1.1
      leona says:

      @Yen678… yes. ssolve the Sabah claim in a peaceful way. How?

      1. Increase the ‘rental’ being PAID [ 5000/year Malaysian currency] Very cheap now. Now, like in pesos – P1M or in US $50,000. Or whatever acceptable amount, but INCREASE the rentals.

      2. Without prejudice to both, Sabah claimants and Malaysia’s, to be formally negotiated with a time schedule, bilateral or with an Int’l Arbitrator either at the UN or whereever.

      The above No. 1 is very important…MONEY!
      No. 2 is also important on the claims in dispute.

      If Sulant Kiram can agree to No. 1, no problem to No. 2 at most.
      Malaysia should agree to No. 1, and work it out on No. 2.

      Win Win for both. Any other possible solution without the MONEY side is 95% sure failure. Peaceful when money is taken up. It is always, most of the time.

  38. Rene-Ipil says:

    In the PDI yesterday, Manolo Quezon III wrote a timeline on the Sabah-North Borneo issue from 1640s to present. I think it is an excellent guide for us in forming our opinions regarding the matter. I posted the link yesterday but it is still awaiting moderation.

  39. Parekoy says:

    Atin ang Sabah!

    Bawat Pinoy ay dapat ipahiwatig ang ating pag angking ng ating teritoryo.

    Porket mahina ang military natin at ang ating mga nahalal ay sumisipsip sa Malaysia hindi nangangahulugan na pati tayong mga Pilipino ay gumaya sa mga bahag ang buntot at makapili na mga Pinuno.

    Delicate ang sitwasyon pero hindi nangangahulugan na hindi tayo iimik. Matagal ng ninakaw ang ating lupa ng mga dayuhan, alam ng Malaysia na hindi kanila ang Sabah at ito ay maling naihabilin sa kanila ng mga Bitoy, nagbabayad pa ng renta, so kahit na mga Malaysiano ay alam na sa Pilipinas ang Sabah.

    Hindi tayo makikigiyera pero hindi rin tayo mananahimik. Ang atin ay atin, kung gusto ng Malaysia ng compromise di hatiin ang Sabah para lahat panalo!

    Mali si PNoy dito pero tayong Pinoy ay dapat pumanigbsa tama…

  40. Martial Bonifacio says:

    @Raissa a good column by CJ Panganiban regarding the Sabah issue

    http://opinion.inquirer.net/47997/understanding-the-sabah-dispute

  41. Rene-Ipil says:

    I recommend that we read the following article of Manolo Quezon III for our enlightenment on the Sabah issue.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/66281/north-borneo-sabah-an-annotated-timeline-1640s-present

    • moonie says:

      thanks, vibora. I’m now a follower of this website.

      • moonie says:

        there’s an article on the website free malaysia today written by amir ali on march 2, 2013, titled ‘Lahad Datu – the real story?’ that said on november 2010 the sultan has declared sulu independent state from philippines. maybe we should not be calling the sultan’s followers filipinos, but the sultan’s people.

        on the same webpage, an article titled ‘Umno – Lahad Datu link- Tian Chua Slammed’ said that on march 1, 2013, the sultan’s people in Lahad Datu raised a white flag as ruse to draw in malaysian cops, and then, fired on malaysian cops killing 2 of them. malaysians returned fire and 12 of sultan’s people died. sabi nila, using the white flag was act of cowardice daw.

        free malaysia today is a fascinating website.

        by the way, senator miriam santiago said if the sultan is claiming sabah for himself, he ought to negotiate directly with malaysia.

        • moonie says:

          dagdag lang po it. amir ali in his article ‘Lahad Datu – the real story?’ said also that when the sultan declared sulu an independent state on november 2010, the sultan put sulu on constitution based on s——- law. that constitution is different from our democratic one.

          • moonie says:

            online ‘free malaysia today’ also said that malaysians are baffled how the armed invaders (sultan’s people) manage to slip through their state of the art radar monitoring system that constantly monitor their coastlines. I say, if jamming device had been used to disable radar thus allow sultan’s people to land safely, malaysian intel should be able to work that one out.

            there was also report that said anwar ibrahim, malaysian opposition leader, and close friend of erap, may have invited the invaders to come and boost his prospect this coming election. anwar ibrahim had always wanted to be prime minister but ended up being opposition. malaysian intel has yet to confirm the report though, and if they’re really interested, I say, they could monitor cell phone conversations between anwar ibrahim and the sultan’s people, if any.

  42. Mel says:

    Former Sabah chief minister proposes settlement with Sulu sultan – report

    MANILA, Philippines — A former chief minister of Sabah has proposed that the Malaysian government offer the sultan of Sulu a lump sum compensation of 200-million ringgit (around P2.6 billion [RM1=P13.14]) in a bid to settle the sultanate’s claim to the territory, the east Malaysian newspaper Daily Express reported.

    Close to 200 followers of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III have been occupying a village in Lahad Datu town since mid-February in a bid to press their claim to Sabah and have rejected calls from both the Malaysian and Philippine governments for them to leave.

    Sabah is historically part of the Sulu sultanate but was leased by the British who ceded it to Malaysia when the country was created in 1963.

    The report said Tan Sri Harris Salleh wrote Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein suggesting that RM50 million from the settlement be given to the direct descendants of the sultant and the balance used for the development of a “Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.”

    Felda, Malaysia’s Federal Land Development Authority, was founded to help resettle rural poor and organize them into cooperatives planting cash crops. It has since evolved into running various economic development and business enterprises, with one of these, Felda Global Ventures Holdings, believed to be the world’s largest plantation operator.

    “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he was qupoted as saying in a statement released on Wednesday.

    “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time. Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbors,” Harris was quoted in the report as saying.

    He also warned against using force to drive out the sultan’s followers, saying: “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colors. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.”

    Harris suggested that the Malaysian government deal directly with the sultan instead of his followers holed out in the town of Lahad Datu.

    The former Sabah minister pointed put that it was impossible for Malaysia to control the whole coastline of Sabah, which stretches around a thousand kilometers from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

    “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries,” he said.

    Harris also said that with the increasing openness between members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, “the issue on who and who are Sabahans or, for that matter, Malaysian does not arise anymore” since, in the next 50 to 100 years, there will no longer be any borders between these countries.

    • Mel says:

      Harris suggests RM200m formula

      Published on: Thursday, February 28, 2013

      Kota Kinabalu: Former Chief Minister Tan Sri Harris Salleh has proposed that the Malaysian Government permanently settle the long-standing issue raised by the Sultan of Sulu by way of a lump-sum compensation payment of RM200 million.

      “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he said in a statement, here, Wednesday.

      He said the suggested amount of RM200 million was merely equivalent to the monthly expenses for the armed forces to control Sabah’s coastline.

      Towards this end, Harris said he had written to Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein that RM50 million is to be allocated from the RM200 million direct to the Sulu Sultan’s descendants while the balance for the development of a Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.

      “This will benefit both the heirs of the sultan as well as the people of Mindanao,” he said, adding that the Malaysian Government should deal directly with the Sultan of Sulu rather than talking to leaders of the intruders at Lahad Datu.

      He said any confrontation of arms would definitely cause casualties on both sides. “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colours. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.

      “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time.

      Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbours,” he said.

      Harris said Malaysia must acknowledge that no matter what, it was impossible to control every part or metre of Sabah over a 1,000km coastline right from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

      “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries.

      Everything will then be running smoothly in the Asean countries to move forward to become a developed Asia.

      China has already led the way.

      “The issue on who and who are Sabahans or for that matter Malaysian, does not arise anymore.

      All those citizenship with legally issued Identity Card are a fait accompli issue.

      “Surely it is not the intention to trace the original Sabahans, who are reportedly only the descendants of Murut and Rungus.

      The rest – the Malays, the Chinese, the Indians and others – were descendants of immigrants a few hundred years ago,” he said.

      People are free to go anywhere they like since it is expected that in the next 50 to 100 years from now there would be no more borders among the countries.

      SOURCE: Daily Express, http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=84456

  43. Mel says:

    Former Sabah chief minister proposes settlement with Sulu sultan – report

    InterAksyon com
    The online news portal of TV5

    MANILA, Philippines — A former chief minister of Sabah has proposed that the Malaysian government offer the sultan of Sulu a lump sum compensation of 200-million ringgit (around P2.6 billion [RM1=P13.14]) in a bid to settle the sultanate’s claim to the territory, the east Malaysian newspaper Daily Express reported.

    Close to 200 followers of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III have been occupying a village in Lahad Datu town since mid-February in a bid to press their claim to Sabah and have rejected calls from both the Malaysian and Philippine governments for them to leave.

    Sabah is historically part of the Sulu sultanate but was leased by the British who ceded it to Malaysia when the country was created in 1963.

    The report said Tan Sri Harris Salleh wrote Home Minister Datuk Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein suggesting that RM50 million from the settlement be given to the direct descendants of the sultant and the balance used for the development of a “Felda-style settlement scheme in Mindanao.”

    Felda, Malaysia’s Federal Land Development Authority, was founded to help resettle rural poor and organize them into cooperatives planting cash crops. It has since evolved into running various economic development and business enterprises, with one of these, Felda Global Ventures Holdings, believed to be the world’s largest plantation operator.

    “I appeal to the Federal Government to consider settling once and for all the issue of the claim and the yearly payment to the Sultan of Sulu,” he was qupoted as saying in a statement released on Wednesday.

    “These unsatisfied issues will remain and crop up from time to time. Therefore, it is in our interest, in particular Sabah, to have friendly neighbors,” Harris was quoted in the report as saying.

    He also warned against using force to drive out the sultan’s followers, saying: “It can be expected that Malaysian security forces will come out with flying colors. But the scars will remain forever, just like other countries such as Northern Ireland, Spain and many others.”

    Harris suggested that the Malaysian government deal directly with the sultan instead of his followers holed out in the town of Lahad Datu.

    The former Sabah minister pointed put that it was impossible for Malaysia to control the whole coastline of Sabah, which stretches around a thousand kilometers from Tawau to Kota Kinabalu.

    “Thus, it is important these issues be settled amicably once for all and be friends among the Malay stock countries,” he said.

    Harris also said that with the increasing openness between members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, “the issue on who and who are Sabahans or, for that matter, Malaysian does not arise anymore” since, in the next 50 to 100 years, there will no longer be any borders between these countries.

    SOURCE: www interaksyon com/article/56110/former-sabah-chief-minister-proposes-settlement-with-sulu-sultan—report

  44. duquemarino says:

    Breaking News just now March 1, 2013 11:00 a.m. over DZMM, Henry Omaga Diaz reporting.
    Re: Sabah standoff, firefight broke out between Malaysian authorities and Kiram’s group.

    • duquemarino says:

      Yahoo News: Kiram family appealed to Malaysian authorities to cease attacks; family appealed for prayers.

      • Victin Luz says:

        So while in Sabah , the Sultanete of Sulu’s heir’s were within the Arm Length of Malaysian authorities and applyed their LAW’s and Good Governance to them.

        While in the Philipppines , the Revised Penal Code and special LAW’s on firearms of the Philipppines are not automatically enforceable to our Muslim brothers at Jolo and TAWI TAWI .

      • jorge bernas says:

        @ duquemarino,

        Nagtataka ako sa ibang mga kamag-anak ni Kiram, Pupunta at Susugod doon sa SABAH na mayroon dalang armas tapos ngayon sila ang hihingi nang cease fires? Akala ko ba Matapang kayo?
        Binigyan na kayo nang dead line nang Malaysian Goverment at pina UUWI na kayo ni Pnoy para ma-seattle kong ano man ang problema pero nagmatigas kayo kaya ganyan na ang nangyari? Kayo rin dapat sisishin sa nangyari dahil nagmatigas kayo saka dahil PUMUNTA/SUMUGOD Kayo sa SABAH na mayroon dalang mga ARMAS ay iba na pinahihiwatid ninyo? IBABA ang ARMAS saka UMUWI para walang nang GULO, yon ang dapat unang GAWIN? At nang mapag-usapan ang problema at MAAYOS sa TAMANG PARAAN….

        • duquemarino says:

          @jorge bernas

          I you look at the development, other members of the Sultanate are not commenting.
          Ibrahim Q. Bahjin, a medical doctor and the crowned and installed dejure Paramount Sultan of the Sultanate of Sulu & North Borneo has not spoken.

          Also, take a look at the different prominent figures involved, including Pastor Boy Saycon who is very much linked to Tingting and Peping and try top come up with your own reading.

          The are also intel reports published that are worth reading.

          • duquemarino says:

            @jorge bernas

            Take a look at “Paramount Sultan Ibrahim Q. Bahjin-Shakurillah II” in wikipedia. The last part of the article states:
            “There is no rotation system now. The agreement was broken by the Kiram family. Sultan Aliuddin of Patikul consented to the re-enthronement of Jamalul Kiram II on condition that the throne should pass alternately between the 2 Royal Houses. . . and so there was no more war between the two Royal Houses. But when the throne was passed on to another Kiram after Jamalul Kiram II, Patikul was forced to enthrone own Sultan in response. War was again ignited.

            That also started the tradition of two sultans in the Sultanate. And now it has enormously metamorphosed to many, many Sultans. All those invoking genealogical linkage are claiming to be one. In fact, even those remotely attached and devoid of any drop of royal red in their veins are coming to the forefront claiming royalty and therefore, heir to the sultanate heritage. It could still be tolerable this time though, if not the greed for money and wealth is suspect. This is the very reason why the Paramount Sultan concept was hatched.”

    • duquemarino says:

      Idjirani confirms 10 dead, 4 wounded, through press con aired over DZMM, 12:30 pm
      Press con on-going.

  45. duquemarino says:

    Just now, over DZMM.
    Did I hear it right that Pastor Boy Saycon is in Sabah taking part in the negotiations. Baka si Tingting at si Peping nandun na rin. Hmmmmmm.

    • Victin Luz says:

      Ang HUETING Queen noong panahon ni CORY , gusto talagang maging First Lady ng MINSUPALA Country he he….

  46. Martial Bonifacio says:

    Raissa a good infographic from ABS-CBN regarding the lineage of Sultanate of Sulu:
    http://cdnimages.abs-cbnnews.com/topics/tvpatrol/2013february/LineofSuccessionoftheSultansofSuluoftheModernEra.jpg

    • moonie says:

      someone should check the birth certificate of the sultan, baka he was born in kota kinabalu in saba, and not a filipino.

  47. Martial Bonifacio says:

    off-topic:
    Ang ganda ng pagkakagawa ng US show na survivor . Last year “Survivor Philippines” tapos ngayon “Survivor Caramoan Islands” both from Camarines Sur.

    Thumbs up! kay DOT Sec. Jimenez at sa mga Filipino crew for showcasing the beautiful islands of the Philippines. :)

  48. Rene-Ipil says:

    Good News.

    Latest SWS senatorial survey 9 LP 3 UNA.

    Enrile and Honasan out of magic 12.

    Madrigal 14th, Magsaysay 16th, Hontiveros 18th

    • Martial Bonifacio says:

      i hope Edward Hagedorn & Risa Hontiveros makes it to the magic 12 kahit wala na yung 3 UNA.

    • DannyG says:

      Sa pinaggagawa ng P-Noy administration re Sabah issue, baka mangamote na ang Team P-Noy sa Mindanao at maging sa boung bansa sa darating na 2013 election. At ang masakit, ngayun-ngayon lamang, malaking bahagi ng mga kandidato sa pagka-senador ang hindi man lamang sumipot sa rali ng Team Pinoy sa Bukidnon na kilalang balwarte ni Zubiri. Nagkakaduwagan na ba at hanggang dito ay nagkaka-repliksyon ang masamang diskarte ng P-NOY admi sa kasalukuyang pag-handle ng Sabah crisis ? Ingat !!!!

      • jorge bernas says:

        @ DannyG,

        Bakit mo sisisihin si Pnoy sa nangyari sa SABAH? Pumunta at Sumugod doon sa SABAH ang mga kamag-anak ni Kiram na mayroong dalang mga ARMAS at handa raw mamatay bakit mo SISISIHIN si Pnoy.

        Ang problema sa RENTA at sa SABAH ay mapag uusapan sa mabuting PARAAN at hindi sila dapat pumunta at sumugod at magdala nang ARMAS dahil BAWAL ITO sa alin mang BATAS…Huwag sana tayong magsisihan? Binigyan na sila nang ultimatum nang Malaysian Government noong feb.26,2013 at Pinapauwi na sila ni Pnoy nang MAPAYAPA at naghihintay na ang sasakyan pero nagmatigas sila kaya kong ganyan ang nangyari ay kagustuhan nila yon, diba? Marami ang namatay at nasugatan dahil sa kanilang kagustuhan kaya sila ang dapat sisisihin dahil gusto nila sila ang masunod at hindi nakikinig sa magandang paraan nang pag uusap?

        Ngayon dahil may dala kayong mga Armas at hindi nakikinig sa mapayapang pag-uusap? ibig sabihin ay lalaban kayo diba? Panindigan na ninyo?

        • vander anievas says:

          @DannyG,
          sila ang pumunta doon. at armado pa. sila ang may gusto noon.
          maaga pa ay kinausap na sila ni pnoy. at sa public forum pa. nakiusap sa kanilang umuwi at saka mag-usap. ayaw nila.
          hindi kaya pagsabotahe ang ginawa nila? sino kayang may ideya noon?
          para sa akin, walang mali sa ating gobyerno.
          ang sabi nga ni harry roque, inilagay nila sa kanilang mga kamay ang batas.
          anong ibig sabihin noon? with all due respect to their claim, walang mali kay pnoy? magpasalamat pa nga tayo sa pagiging mahinahon ni pnoy.
          delikado ang nangyaring ito. pwedeng sumiklab ang gyera sa dalawang bansa kung hindi sa mahusay na pamamahala ng dalawang administrasyon.

  49. Martial Bonifacio says:

    Still waiting for Raissa’s new article regarding Sabah and the Sultanate of Sulu so i can straighten out my memory and history :)

    Honestly im confused right now regarding who is the real current head of Sultanate of Sulu because i read alot of claimants to the throne not only in PH but in Malaysia as well:

    1. Ampun Sultan Muedzul-Lail Tan Kiram

    2. Jamalul D. Kiram III – The one calling the shots in the recent Sabah standoff

    3. Sultan Fuad Kiram – was invited by GMA during the reception for Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei

    Source: http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/opinion/editorials/41591-our-sultan-of-sulu-and-sabah

  50. Martial Bonifacio says:

    While our attention is currently in Sabah issue, China will conduct their patrol beyond their territory again!

    http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/296478/news/nation/china-to-conduct-spratlys-scarborough-fishery-patrols

    • Rene-Ipil says:

      Vibora@21

      The article written by Atty. Sta. Maria is by far the most comprehensive and easily understandable discussion on the Sabah issue.

      • Vibora says:

        Right, and it seems the only ingredient missing is the “political will” of our government to resolve the issue.

        • moonie says:

          we have the right to claim sabah, but there’s no guarantee we’ll get sabah. the heirs of the sultan of sulu is not claiming sabah for the philippines, but for the sultanate of sulu. it was only when they got surrounded and not allowed to go any further that they sought help from our government.

          paiba-iba ang kwento nila e, with so many making statement, the wife of the sultan, the sultan’s brother, etc, etc. we have to have a very clear understanding with the sultan of sulu before we make a representation. baka mamaya, after helping them, they’ll change their story again and turn against us. sabah for the philippines, for us all, not just for the sultan. let’s have that in writing, written in today’s time, dated and signed by the sultan and also by our government before we proceed.

          • moonie says:

            already, the sultan and his people refused to cooperate with our government. ship was sent to them, they were asked to come home, and they refused. our government ought to make help conditional. help will only be provided if they cooperate and are on our side, be one with us, and together, we’ll face malaysia. it’s hard enough having to go head to head with malaysia without the sultan and his people adding more problems.

            by the way, was checks made on these people? any npa o abu sayyaf among them?

    • Martial Bonifacio says:

      I guess election fever is also taking an effect in Malaysia. Even the in-fighting in the comment section of FMT can be clearly read.

  51. Mel says:

    A short history of Martial Law, version whatever Hot Manila – by Alan C. Robles
    Posted at 02/22/2013 11:57 AM | Updated as of 02/22/2013 12:00 PM

  52. DannyG says:

    Nakakalungkot na marami sa ating kababayan ang patuloy na dedma o indifferent sa kasalukuyang isyu ng Sabah. Ipinakikita at isinusulong ng mga ito na huwag nang makialam tayo o ang ating pamahalaan at baka tayo mapahamak pa laban sa Malaysian kung igigiit ito. Tutal mayroon na raw tayong peace covenant sa mga kababayang Muslim sa Mindanao at ito naman daw ay suportado ng Malaysia. Na ito raw kasalukuyang gulo ay sa instigation ni Misuari at panggugulo lamang sa gobyernong P-noy sa nalalapit na halalalan 2013. Presume na totoo ang mga itong alegasyon, hindi ba nararapat na gumawa tayo ng karampatang hakbangin upang maresolba ang isyung ito sa kapakinabangan ng ating Bansa at soberenya nito ? Matagal na ang usaping ito, panahon pa ng mga nakaraang pamamahala ng ating gobyerno, ay buhay na ang panawagang ito ng mga tagapagmana ng Sultanate of Sulu. Kung itong Sabah sa paniniwala natin ay nabibilang sa teritoryo ng Pilipinas, ating itong itaguyod na mapasaatin. Maraming kaparaanan upang ito’y maisapagtagumpay. Simulan na ang maayos, nararapat at matalinong pakikipag-usap sa lahat ng mga may tamang involvement o kaugnayan sa usaping ito. Ipakita natin na taas-noong tayo ay may kakanyahang igiiit ang ating mga karapatan at aspirations. Na tulungan ang ating minoryang kababayan sa kanilang mga problema na may kaugnayan naman sa territorial integrity ng ating bansa. Huwag nating isipin na ang ating kapatid na Muslim na sakaling magtagumpay sa isyu ng Sabah ay mananawagan naman sila ng independensya. Marami sa ating kapatid na Muslim ang nagmamahal at nagnanais na mapag-isa ating bansa- ang Bansang Pilipinas. Magtiwala tayo sa kanila na sila ay tutupad sa mga marangal na usapan sapagka’t naniniwala tayo na ito ay maa-attain sa pamamagitan ng mahusay at matalinong pakikipag-usap at diplomasya. Nguni’t pansamantala, tugunan muna natin ang Sabah crisis na ito.

    • jorge bernas says:

      @ DannyG,

      Tama ka Danny, Lahat nang problema ay mapag-uusapan at may SOLUTION pero ang ginawa nang mga kamag anak ni KIRAM na pag akupa at pagsugod sa SABAH na may DALANG mga ARMAS ay iba ang ibig SABIHIN at sa Banta na handang MAMATAY ay ibang USAPAN na ???

  53. Victin Luz says:

    If I owned part of Sabah and Jolo and made to select which country do I want to pledge allegiance with Malaysia or Philipppines?

    1.)If I am living in Sabah , I will choose Malaysia because of much much better living condition thereat and better Governanace by their leader. And I will include Jolo also to be part of Malaysia for the same reasons.

    2.)If I am living in JOLO , I will choose Malaysia to govern my property in Sabah for the same reasons. For JOLO I will choose the Philippines to be part of it so that with the stricter Law’s implementation in Malaysia and of good governance , I am not within their ARM Lenght that includes Jolo populace to whom I ruled.

    And although Jolo was part of the Philippines, with the bad governance of the Manila Government for centuries I am either within their ARM Lenght. In fact I can bring in goods from neighboring countries with minimal custom duties and more of the time NONE. We are FREE to used RINGGIT’s within Jolo and adjoining areas without violating ECONOMIC SABOTAGE. We can even KILL a General of the AFP during peace talks and have the perpetrators hide in Sabah smoothly.

    I had a two country Playing Fields. My people if they committed a syndicated ESTAFA , they can just go to Sabah and hide. They can also kidnap tourist in Sabah and hide them in Jolo and Tawi Tawi until ransom are paid. Everything is FUN in the Philippines why should I let Sabah be part of the Philipppines then .

    So just ask an increase fo the rental fee of Sabah but let it remain with Malaysia for their good governance.

    Let us acknowledge that Sabah was owned by the Sultanete of SULU but part of Malysia and not a part of the Philipppine territory.

    • Victin Luz says:

      We can not be even charge of any ANTI-DYNASTY law because in JOLO and TAWI-TAWI we are all Blood Relatives ( consanguinity and affinity ) exempted kami always he he. Kahit sino ang magtakbo magkakamaganak kami always at saka heirs nga kami ni SULTAN of SULU di ba.

      GUN BAN. What the hell you in Manila were talking about , we are also exempted in gun ban… For centuries since GUN was discovered ” marami na kami nyan dito ”

      Don’t you not know that “me ” JUAN had a different identity in SABAH when we go there ,and I am a legal immigrant or tourist thereat and my name in Sabah was ” IBRAHIM “

    • vander anievas says:

      yes @v.luz,
      et the sabah claimed by the sultanate be theirs.
      let malaysia reign over its known territory.
      if we can help, for humanitarian reasons, let’s help.
      let’s move on.
      let us all live in peace and harmony.
      let us respect each others liberty and sovereignty.
      let us stop dodging where one gains over the other.
      let us stop this “gulangan”.

  54. Mel says:

    Inquirer Columnist Randy David wrote in his Saturday column the following;

    Who owns Sulu?

    He admitted that he found the Sabah question confusing. “Everybody was signing a document in his native language. And you wonder how many of them understood what was written in the other copy. Now, I am not an expert. I have tasked the experts to study all of this and to find out precisely where we stand.”

    In the course of this free-wheeling interview, the President posed a question that carried broad implications. I’m quoting from the interview as reported by the Inquirer. “If we agree that the Sultan of Sulu owns Sabah, does that also mean that they own Sulu? If we (the sultanate) own Sulu, can we (the sultanate) suddenly say we are separate from the Philippines?” The President’s question touches on the very core issues underpinning the claim to a Bangsamoro homeland.

    It is fascinating that P-Noy brought up the question of historic documents becoming objects of contestation. Something is indeed always lost (or added) in translation. He was referring to the 1878 agreement on Sabah between the Sultan of Sulu and the British North Borneo Co. But he could have been describing the US misreading of the 1899 Bates Treaty, which formed the basis of American rule over Mindanao until 1915.

    The Bates Treaty, says the writer Saul Hofileña Jr. in his book “Under the Stacks,” led to the enactment of laws that caused the distribution of Moro ancestral lands to Christians and Americans. These actions sparked a war whose aftereffects continue to be felt until today. Among the most crucial in changing the political and social landscape of Mindanao, according to Hofileña, are the following: Public Land Act No. 718 which virtually erased land grants given to the traditional leaders of indigenous communities, a mining law passed in 1903 which opened up all public lands to exploration by Americans, the Cadastral Act of 1907 which ordered the survey of public lands for titling purposes, the 1912 resettlement of landless peasants from Luzon and the Visayas, and Acts No. 2254 and 2280 of the Philippine Commission which authorized the establishment of agricultural colonies in Mindanao.

    READ the rest of Randy David’s Column at opinion inquirer net/47495/who-owns-sulu

  55. Martial Bonifacio says:

    A really good article from by Solita Collas-Monsod

    Why this eagerness to please Malaysia?
    http://opinion.inquirer.net/47461/why-this-eagerness-to-please-malaysia

    • raissa says:

      I wholeheartedly agree this is a very good column.

    • Rene-Ipil says:

      Martial B @ 15

      With Sabah as the focal point, PNoy should unite Muslim Mindanao. Consequently, there is no need to ask Malaysia for help in forging the peace agreement in Mindanao. At the least the proprietary rights of the sultanate of sulu over Sabah should be respected by Malaysia as envisioned by former senator Salonga.

      • moonie says:

        many things happened after salonga. the people of sabah have forged on ahead without the sultan of sulu. the rent the sultan was receiving, that might have been courtesy money thanking the sultan for not interferring with their state of affairs. only the sultan did not see it that way. my take is with the peace deal being signed in mindanao, the sultan is being reduced to be becoming ordinary citizen, his influence waning and may have to earn his living. shocking. hard to imagine the sultan or the crown prince applying for jobs, and maybe not getting it. there are many enterprenurial people in mindanao who can become richer, a lot richer, than the sultan now that the peace deal is signed and business is likely to boom.

        PNoy ought to pension off the sultan and maybe, the crown prince too. the rest of their family has to earn their own living. since PNoy is busy campaigning for election, the sultan seemed neglected and made a dash, a last stand in sabah, taking his army with him. malaysia is doubly involved now. the sultan was asked to leave. that must have been very humiliating for him.

  56. letlet says:

    Sabah – From Wilkipedia

    Philippine claim
    Main article: Sabah dispute

    The North Borneo dispute is the result of a claim by the Philippines over much of the eastern part of Sabah in Malaysia. Sabah was known as North Borneo prior to the formation of the Malaysian Federation in 1963. The hilippines, via the heritage of the Sultanate of Sulu, claim Sabah on the basis that Sabah was only leased to the British North Borneo Company with Sulu’s sovereignty never being relinquishd. Malaysia, however, considered this dispute as a non- issue, as there is no desire from the actual people of Sabah to be part of Philippines or of the Sultanate of Sulu. As reported by the Secretary General of the United Nations ,the independence of North Borneo on 31 August 1963 – the state government of Sabah ceded the island of Labuan and its 6 smaller islands to the Malaysian federal government and it was declared a federal territory on 16 April 1984 – was brought about by as a result of the expressed wish of the majority of the people of the territory in 1963 election.

    This is further reinforced by the international Court of Justice view that,
    ” historic title, no matter how persuasively claimed in the basis of old legal instruments and exercises of authority cannot – except in the most extraordinary circumstances prevail in law over the rights of non- self governing people to claim independence and establish their sovereignty through the exercise of bona fide self determination”.
    …………

    The Aquino government should be extra careful in handling this claim of Sabah by Sultanate of Sulu as its rightful owner of the territory. The creation of committee/ team to study the claim is the right course of direction. How could the Sultanate of Sulu still claim Sabah when it has already declared ( Sabah) its independence and ceded the islands to the Malaysian federal government which is recognized by the Secretary General of United Nations and reinforced by the International Court of Justice. What planet are the Sultanate of Sulu and his followers on that they didn’t know about these Sabah independence. Wala na silang habol.

    Also, why lodge their claim only now just before two months of election? Are they trying to sow chaos and dilemma on PNOY ‘s team, what exactly is their motivation in doing such? Who or what is behind their action? Have they been manipulated by individual / indididuals with vested interest to do so?

    • clementejak says:

      Exactly right, where were the Sultanate succession of heirs early on, why they haven’t pressed their ownership of Sabah, why they allowed Sabah to be included in the federation of states of Malaysia?

      • letlet says:

        @ raissa

        slightly off topic

        I met a muslim nurse in a party, who belongs to Bicester Filipino Community, who is saying that the financial assistance given to the MNLF / MILF is distributed to the muslims to buy lands/ plots in their name, not really used for its designated purpose. Then sometime last month in McDonald in Victoria, London I met a couple wherein the girl said the same thing.

        Could you please have a look on the truthfulness of these claims.

    • moonie says:

      in addition to letlet at 14, the people of sabah, population close to 3million has spoken or made it know that they dont want to be part of the sultanate of sulu. they have been independent since 1963, and have their own representative democratic government with the chief minister as leader of the state cabinet. I doubt if they will give up independence and their way of life just to become subjects of the sultan of sulu.

  57. vander anievas says:

    sabah is not ours. it is for the sultanate. the sultanate has its own sovereignty. we can, and may, help them for peace and security in the region. we cannot and must not share the return or proceeds of its riches. malaysia does. and the sultanate must.
    hands off na tayo diyan. in times like this, phl is being used only. later on, phl uli ang talo diyan. katulad ng napala ni fvr.
    wag na tayong makisawsaw pa diyan.

  58. Rene-Ipil says:

    For now I think that PNoy should take the Sabah stand off as an opportunity to unite the warring Muslim factions by convincing all muslim leaders to help the sultanate of Sulu in legitimizing its claim on Sabah. PNoy should spearhead the resolution of such claim through peaceful means by negotiating with Malaysia and asking the help of ASEAN and UN.

    With a united Muslim community throughout Mindanao under the tutelage of PNoy, the peace agreement in Muslim Mindanao would evolve as a matter of course in the form of a genuine autonomous region or a federated state. Malaysia would be marginalized, if not excluded, in the process. Meantime that a peaceful negotiation, whether with Malaysia or within ASEAN or UN, is underway, the Tausogs would stay in Sabah as it is. No augmentation from or deportation to Sulu to avoid bloodshed.

    I think that would be a win-win solution for all stakeholders. The bangsamoro would have an ally with PNoy and vice versa. And Malaysia could save its face in avoiding a war it could not win in Sabah against a legitimate claimant whom they have mistreated for a long time. This is in the form of paying the minuscule sum of equivalent to PHP70 thousand annual rental for an area consisting of about 70 thousand square kilometers. Not to mention its offshore area which contain reserves of more than 1.5 billion barrels of oil and 11 trillion cubic feet of gas. And I am sure the international community is watching. Indeed, Al-Jezeera blazes the trail.

  59. Joe America says:

    Fascinating discussion. Britain gives troublesome land to Sultanate and rents it back (good ole precursor to lend/lease). The Sultanate needs money to fund warriors and sells the land to the Philippines. The Philippines is preoccupied fighting off Spaniards and Americans and Japanese and potentially the Chinese. Malaysia takes over because no one else is there. The Sultanate heirs get screwed six ways from Sunday and desperately want a homeland. Malaysia won’t let go of the land because they’ve had it, managed it, and believe it is theirs. History of the title says otherwise. An international court may determine that a century of Philippine neglect represents concession of ownership to Malaysia (squatters squatting long enough eventually command rights).

    Did I say the people, who are akin to the American Indians in terms of disenfranchisement, but don’t even get a reservation, get screwed six ways from Sunday?

    Organize a multi-dimensional resolution that organizes the land as an integral part of Malaysia as an autonomous region under Sultanate mandate with the Philippines given mineral rights, subject to three-way sharing of profits.

    Or just concede it to Malaysia and get on with getting some Japanese manufacturers out of China and into the Philippines, and let’s rock and roll.

  60. Rene-Ipil says:

    Sabah is the sixth biggest contributor of Malaysia’s economy and contributes more than 25% of oil and gas produced in Malaysia. Indeed, according to FMT (Free Malaysia Today) news:

    “Sabah’s oil reserves were calculated at 1.5 billion barrels as of last year but new oilfields discovered since then have raised the estimate substantially. Gas reserves stand at 11 trillion cubic feet, with four new oilfields found in the Sabah waters in the last two years.”

    But it is ironic that Sabah remains the poorest state in Malaysia. Assemblywoman Melanie Chia of the Sabah Progressive Party said:

    ““The government owes the people a good explanation as to why Sabah remains the poorest state in Malaysia despite being blessed with abundance of natural resources.”

    With such backdrop, i believe that Sabah would spin off into an independent state together with nearby Sulu and Tawi Tawi under the auspices of the UN. It is only a matter of when it would materialize. But I think it would be hastened tremendously if the Malaysian government made the mistake of committing genocide against the followers of the Sultanate of Sulu. History would repeat itself by replicating the experience of East Timor which was granted independence from Indonesia after so much bloodletting.

    Both the Philippines and Malaysia would come into terms with the Sultanate of Sulu who owned and governed the Sulu Archipelago by legal and historic rights. Let us consider that Sabah is about 18 miles away from Tawi Tawi and about 1000 miles from the Malaysian peninsula. So that about a third of Sabah population consists of Tausogs from Sulu. Tausogs were known before as among the fiercest warriors in the world.

    It is said that Sabah has been the playground of Tausogs from Sulu which both the Philippine and Malaysian governments tolerated in the past. And it is a fact that the Philippine government has not effectively controlled Sulu which is true also during the Spanish and American regimes due to its great distance from Manila as well as the Zamboanga peninsula. Not to mention that Tausogs love to fight fiercely for their freedom and independence.

  61. vander anievas says:

    dapat matuto tayo sa nilakad ng history.
    basahin ang buhay ng mga mapagwaging mandirigma.
    bakit tinalo ni lapu-lapu si magellan?
    bakit tinalo ni misuari si fvr.
    ngayon itutulak ba natin si pnoy para talunin lang ni misuari?
    tama na. sobra na.
    magastos yan. sayang lang.
    ang sabah ay sa malaysia.
    tanggapin na natin.
    yun ngang shoal di natin mapangalagaan, ang sabah pa…

    • Victin Luz says:

      TAMA , TAMA, TAMA, po kayo dyan………they are placing PNOY in a situation so dificult to answer or solve…. In the first place they did not respect the SOVEREIGNTY of the Philippines Government over them when they armed themselves and proceed to Sabah without considering the PRODUCT of that incident. WHY land in Sabah first before telling to us now that they were left out on the MILF -Phil. Government peace agreement…. Why did they not talk first with PNOY ….. Pabayaan mu sila dyan , tutal di nga sila nabayad ng mga Custom duties sa mga product na galling Sabah ….

      And to tell you, if they are respecting the authority OF MANILA GOVT…….some island’s populace in the area are using RINGGITs not PESO in trading practices,…. Ngek, ngek……ECONOMIC SABOTAGE…. Almost all of them trader in the area have in possession an amount’s of RINGGITs.

      Let the Kirams thru Misuari swim alone in Sabah… Gagastos na naman tayo sa mga kabalbalan nila. people’s money na naman , dami naman silang palusut sa lugar.

      COMELEC dyan nasaan ang GUN BAN ninyo pala.Bakit dami nilang baril sa SULU.

      • Martial Bonifacio says:

        Theory ko lang po ito ha but i think its not also about Pnoy but Malaysia as well. After the OIC meeting in egypt ang bukang bibig ni Misuari ay galit towards sa panghihimasok ng Malaysia sa peace deal ng MILF-GPH.

        And what better way to annoy the current leadership of Malaysia is by doing a standoff especially now that Malaysia will have their General Election this year. Will the standoff have an effect on how Malaysians will vote? we will see….

        Though i still don’t agree in their way of bringing guns in Sabah.

        • moonie says:

          they could have come in peace and bring gifts, instead of bringing guns. they could have come at daytime too, instead of coming at night like an invading army.

  62. vander anievas says:

    let the people decide.
    tama yan.
    hayaan na natin sila kung saan nila gusto.
    karapatan nilang maging maligaya at malaya.
    nakuha na ni misuari ang gusto nya.
    ngayon ano naman kaya ang nais nya?

  63. vander anievas says:

    yes, this is a very sensitive situation. phl must be prudent and cautious in dealing with this issue.
    imho, this sabah issue must be put to rest. we have a lot of problems.
    wild suggestion: send our epalistic trapos there to mediate, grandstand and campaign..:).
    in the brighter side, sabah’s riches was explored and developed and brought malaysia progress.
    if our businessmen will do it, i doubt if we can duplicate what m’asia did. better it be kept under their watch.
    kung totoong sovereign issue ang concern ng mga kiram, then, siguro, their side must be heard by the proper agency.
    i just wonder why this occasion is happening kung kelan may importanteng kaganapang binubuo ang phl at m’asia. parang scripted ito…sana naman ay mali ako…

  64. moonie says:

    just recently I’ve seen t.v. reports of australian senator nick xenophon detained in malaysia, seen as risk and was deported. the senator and his group have gone to malaysia to observe the election there, but were turned back. malaysia seemed nervous of foreign influence.

    the sultun of sulu was quiet, then suddenly, he and his entourage turned up in malaysia. makes you think there’s conspiracy.

    I recall reading a comment in raissa’s blog claiming that the sultan of sulu must be feeling lousy and left out as he was non-event in the signing of the peace deal brokered between mnlf and our government, his opinion was not sought out, his input was not needed, and he has no place of importance at the head of the negotiating table. nagtampo yata siya at pumunta sa malaysia, and now, front page siya ngayon sa mga newspapers, headline pa. he has forced the president to notice him, and act. anyhow, that was just a comment.

    • raissa says:

      Not true about him and the MNLF. Many MNLF fighters are also claimants to Sabah.

      The Sultan also deputized Misuari to negotiate Sabah on his behalf.

      • Martial Bonifacio says:

        @Raissa i think you should read this also

        “Misuari explained that Sabah was given to his great grandfather Panglima Mahabassal Elidji by the sultan of Brunei Darussalam, which once owned the land.”

        Source: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/02/18/13/misuari-bangsamoro-has-claims-over-sabah

        Is this true? Ang gulo ng usaping ito na mukhang pati mga liderato ng MNLF at Sultanate of sulu ay may kanya kanyang claim sa Sabah.

        But honetly i want to know what happened in Egypt kasi pagdating ni misuari sa NAIA ay galit na galit siya na pati ang media ay nakagalitan niya. Nag iba ang Mood niya after the Organization of Islamic Cooperation meeting.

      • moonie says:

        thanks, raissa, for clarifying things.

  65. Victin Luz says:

    Geographical Location of SABAH where the Congruent PART’s of Mindanao like SULU, TAWI TAWI, BASILAN parts of PALAWAN are RIPE for INDEPENDENCE in the near future whether we like it or not.

    We can not even implement our Law’s pertaining or that will endanger our National Security , like what the heir’s of the Sultanete of Sulu did. Smuggling was RAMPANT in the AREA.

    If smuggling in Tawi Tawi can be done easily why not also at Port Irene or any other place in our country.

    Let the Goverment of PNOY stay cautious and vigilant with the problem of the SULTAN HEIRs . They will never stop , history will tell.

  66. Martial Bonifacio says:

    1. This dispute should be settled in a peaceful manner like bringing the issue to UN.

    The one hindrance i see in that process is the one country who mistakenly gave malaysia the authority to sabah -> Britain.

    The predicament is if Britain accepts its mistake in Sabah then they might also lose the falkland islands to Argentina.

    If you noticed Malaysia is using the same rhetoric UK’s using: “Let the People Decide.”

    2. Pnoy should thread carefully baka magrebelde na naman ang mga MNLF kasi sa mga pahayag niya parang ayaw niyang suportahan ang claim ng Sultanate of Sulu bagkus parang ang lumalabas sa mga balita ay kampi tayo sa malaysia.

    Another possible scenario is sumama ang Sultanate of Sulu sa federation ng Malaysia dahil sa patuloy na walang suporta ng PH government sa claim sa Sabah. 50 years na and still counting according kay Raissa.

    Note:
    During the trapo days of Ninoy he exposed the Jabidah massacre to destroy the credibility of Marcos but unwittingly it caused the birth of MNLF rebellion,

    Now we are under a Aquino administration which i hope will correct the repercussions of the past.

    • Victin Luz says:

      FULL INDEPENDENCE ang sagot dyan @martial…….we don’t have to wait for another YOGUSLAVIA ….. Ningas kugon lahat na usapin na iyan …incomplete TRUST with each other…

  67. Manuel C. Diaz says:

    The Philippines and Malaysia should restore the Sultanate of Sulu. Both Countries usurp the territory of the Sultanate by fraudulent treaties the Americans Bates Treaty conned the Sultan of Sulu while the British conned the Sultan in leasing Sabah to the British.Both Countries claim to the territory of the Sultanate of Sulu are based on fraud.Both countries are squatters.

  68. clementejak says:

    Malaysia as a sovereign country have all the rights to impose restrictions whatever they think is right for any situation within their territory.

    No other country or any type of organization can impose its will much more like Aljaseera news correspondents who just barged in Malaysian soil without asking or seeking Malaysian permit first if they can cover the stand off.

    The same way China is doing not even the UN can forced China to accept the arbitration case filed by the Philippines at UNCLOS.

    • Martial Bonifacio says:

      The problem in your arguement is this “within their territory.”

      If Malaysia is convinced that Sabah is their territory then why would they even bother pay the Sultanate of Sulu since they already have the effective control of the area?

      The dispute of Sabah is different from Scarborough in the sense that the Sultanate of Sulu have a legitimate evidence. While China does not have any proof regarding their 9 dash theory claim besides the map they copied from a british chart including the 20 mistakes in the map.

      You can read more about it in South China Morning Post article entitled “How a non-existent island became China’s southernmost territory” written by Bill Hayton

    • Victin Luz says:

      You were right @martial ,,, I love our fellow Muslim Brother’s in the Philipppines. But when are they going to stop. Muslim’s rebels as whole during Marcos regime then MNLF ,after their peace talk ,MILF faction did not recognized the PT and went fighting the government . Now peace talk with MILF, MNLF was left out but due to pressures ,” ok lang kino sa kanila ” . Now that MILF and MNLF were TAHIMIK KUNO , afterward hayan nanaman ,the HEIRs of Sultanete of SULU naman..

      Do they really want an ALLEGIANCE to the Philipppines or to somebody else. Why not give them what they wanted and let those ILLITISTA, CAPITALISTA” kakaunti lang naman mga itong Familya sa lugar nila di po ba at nakikisawsaw Lang ngayon ang mag asawang PEPING at TINGTING COJUANCO ” BOW allegiance whatever government our brothers wanted in their AREA.

      Why Malaysia and Philipppines give Independence to Sabah that will include SULU, BASILAN, part of MINDANAO and Palawan.. Of course PEACEFULLy

      Ayaw naman natin sigurong maging ala YOGUSLAVIA tayo..

      Sino sino bang mga BILYONARYONG FILIPINOS ang mga may interest at kumikita sa MINDANAO Muslim’s area. Mabibilang natin po.. Palagay ko ” UTOT ” lang ang mga Politician sa Luzon at Visayas pag ang reason nila ay NATIONALISTIC he he PWE sila. Vested interest of their Billlionaires Friend at sa kanila mismo kaya ayaw natin bitiwan ang mga area talaga nila. he he opinion lang po , pero sa totoo Lang tayo he he.

      • Victin Luz says:

        Correction po …..he he VOW ALLEGIance po Hindi BOW sorry.

        • Martial Bonifacio says:

          http://globalnation.inquirer.net/65303/what-went-before-sultan-of-sulus-9-principal-heirs

          Kaya naiintindihan ko din ang Sultanate of Sulu since wala na silang matakbuhan kundi ang gobyerno natin.

          Sa mga pahayag ni Abraham Idjirani (Spokesperson ng Sultanate of Sulu) ang gusto lang naman nila ay ma-settle ang issue ng Sabah. Eto yung link:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOKqZAxaKrE#!

          I really hope na sana suportahan ni Pnoy ang claim ng Sultanate of Sulu and bring it to UN.

            • Victin Luz says:

              I agree @Martial …yes to our supports , but we have to remember whenever a peace talk were conducted and a Muslim leaders was left out , they keep silent for a while waiting for another opportunity/issues to come out and their members with their approvals were allowed to join the NEW BAND or NEW GROUP protesting to whatever their causes are….that number of our Muslims brothers who went with KIRAM in Sabah , plenty were recruited from factions of MNLF and others and it was very EASY for them to tell us and to the Malaysian Government that they were also heirs o ” mga kamaganak ng mga Kirsm ”

              Kahit pagbalibaligtad pa natin ang sitwasyon o storya the BOTTOM LINE and in the long run FULL INDEPENCE ang gusto nila na kagaya nati noong panahon ng ESPANYOL, AMERICANO ,,, we Fight and DIE for that Independence and we got it…….tell me frankly @Martial what vested interest do you have in those area that will curtailed if they were be given Independence? He he opinion Lang po mang Martial.

              • Martial Bonifacio says:

                I dont have any vested interest in the Sabah issue, Ang akin lang is being objective sa mga pahayag ng kanilang spokesperson ng sultanate of sulu, si Abraham Idjirani.

                Kung papanoorin mo yung 2 video sila mismo ang nagsasabi at humihingi ng tulong na ipaglaban ng PH government ang kanilang claim sa UN.

                Let me put it this way: Tinuturing ko na pilipino ang mga kapatid nating Moro and if they are asking for our governments help, its prudent that we lend both our ears and help them fight for their cause in reclaiming Sabah. (In a peaceful way) since its legitimate and not a copied story/map na parang sa china.

                Contrary sa sinasabi ninyo po, hindi independence ang hinihingi nila kundi support from the PH government.

              • moonie says:

                they have a strange way of asking for our government’s support. wala silang sinabi at hindi sila nagpaalam, at dumiritso sila kaagad sa malaysia, armado pa naman and iba sa kanila. gulat tayo e. yes, I understand may spokesman sila, but who was their adviser?

                election sa mayo, e, and they are really trying PNoy’s hand. why make the claim now? they could have done it last year, or next year. why now when election is just two months away? maybe they want the president distracted, his team to lose seats. dirty tricks.

            • Victin Luz says:

              Sa ngayon iyan ang hinihingi ni KIRAM, but those people of KIRAM who went with him in Malaysia , numerous numbers came from MNLF Misuari group who want Independence from Philipppines.

              Autonomous Muslim area’s is a preparatory to be voicing out an Independence agenda to the same area. Sala sa lamig sala sa init na iyan e…when are they going to stop? I don’t think the Malaysian Government will give up to their demands..What sovereignty do we have with our Muslim Brothers in BASILAN, TAWI TAWI, SULU @ martial? Opinion Lang sir ha

              Ala ka palang vested interest sa Area nila , di mas maganda bigyan sila ng kalayaan na mamuno sa kani kanilang buhay sa lupain nila ” ABSOLUTE “

              • Martial Bonifacio says:

                Correct me if im wrong diba binigyan sila ng autonomy under ARMM its just that when Misuari was the head of ARMM nabalot ng controbersiya ang pamumuno niya na puro corruption.

                Kaya nga siya hindi nanalo ng election dahil dito.

                In fact a good point was given by @moonie that Election is coming also in ARMM which is a “possible” reason kasi tatakbo si Misuari against LP Mujiv hataman and the UNA candidate.

                What sovereignty we have? The fact that the Sultanate of Sulu acknowledges our laws and goes by our constitution. The fact they want to claim Sabah not only for themselves but for every Filipino Muslim and Christian alike.

                I dont want to prejudge them (Sulatanate of Sulu) that they want independence in the future because that will be very unfair for them.

                So i go only on what they say on the news and be objective.

                @Moonie
                i agree with you kaya sa mga reply ko sa article ni Raissa i try to always put peaceful solution. Hindi ganyan biglaan lulusob with guns, hindi tayo bully tulad ng china.

                Hopefully this will be settled in UN and Britain will do the right thing. Kung ibinalik ng britain ang Hong Kong sa China dapat ibalik ang sabah under Sultanate of Sulu.

            • Victin Luz says:

              @martial tama ka dyan,, pero sa akin NINGAS KUGUN LAHAT mga iyan eh…. Hindi matatapos dyan ang storya….Sa mga smuggling hanggang Manila to LAOAG , Muslim traders ang nagdadala o nagbibinta ng mga goods ng foreign products in an illegal .

              What Phil. LAW’s did they acknowledge with they go to Sabah armed , a different independent country not the Philipppines ? They violated not only our Constition but also the Constitution of Malaysia.

              Ipinapahamak tayo ang RIGHT TERM.

              • jorge bernas says:

                @ Marcial & Victin Luz,

                Kong ayaw nilang mga nag standoff sa Sabbah makinig sa Advice ni Pnoy na ibaba ang armas at umuwi na muna para mapag usapang mabuti ang kanilang CLAIMS ay hahayaan ko sila diyan… Bahala sila sa gusto nilang mangyari.. Bawal naman kasi pamamaraan nila at gusto nila sila ang masunod pero tingnan ko ngayon kong hindi iiyak at SUSUKO sa taga Malaysia Soldiers kong susugurin nang Barilan,Putukan,at Patayan…

                May kalalagyan sila ngayon sa Malaysian Soldiers….

  69. Yen678 says:

    … i hope this issue will be resolved in a peaceful way… the world is watching.

    • leona says:

      @Yen678… yes. ssolve the Sabah claim in a peaceful way. How?

      1. Increase the ‘rental’ being PAID [ 5000/year Malaysian currency] Very cheap now. Now, like in pesos – P1M or in US $50,000. Or whatever acceptable amount, but INCREASE the rentals.

      2. Without prejudice to both, Sabah claimants and Malaysia’s, to be formally negotiated with a time schedule, bilateral or with an Int’l Arbitrator either at the UN or whereever.

      The above No. 1 is very important…MONEY!
      No. 2 is also important on the claims in dispute.

      If Sulant Kiram can agree to No. 1, no problem to No. 2 at most.
      Malaysia should agree to No. 1, and work it out on No. 2.

      Win Win for both. Any other possible solution without the MONEY side is 95% sure failure. Peaceful when money is taken up. It is always, most of the time.

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